Saturday, June 9, 2007

Switching jobs in Saudi? Kalli Valli

There are some peculiar features of working in Saudi Arabia which the would-be expat must know. One cannot change jobs just like that. It's hire-and-fire policy, but only one-way. In other words, if your sponsor decides to fire you, then there is nothing you can do about it. But if YOU want to resign and if your sponsor isn't too happy about it, then you had it! :-S
There is something called NOC, an acronymn for No Objection Certificate. If you would like to work for another employer in Saudi Arabia, unless your present sponsor gives you an NOC, it is impossible to switch jobs. Of course, officially the law says that NOC is no longer required if it has not been specifically agreed in your original contract, but in reality the law has not been implemented. Surprised? :-? How can there be a law but which is not implemented? Read on. What this means is that there is a law which says that you don't need an NOC any more to change your job (unless you have waived this right in your contract), but this law has not been put into effect in practice.
One of my friends, a safety officer, got an offer from another company which he could not refuse. As a matter of precaution, he did not resign but went on vacation to his home country on a short leave. He visited the Saudi consulate and enquired personally about this to the officer in the consulate, whether he could visit the kingdom on another visa and work for another sponsor. He was simply brushed aside with the typical Arabic comment "Kalli Valli" (loosely translated, this could mean in this context "just forget it" or "nothing doing")! When my friend insisted that a law has already been passed, the officer said that for him to implement the law, he should be instructed by his Foreign Office and by nobody else! In short, it means that whatever the law says, if it is not implemented, you simply have no chance for re-employment in the kingdom if your current sponsor would not agree for the same. The grapevine is that the law was implemented on paper only to satisfy WTO requirements, but obviously this cannot be verified.
So, if you are a first-timer who is looking forward to working in Saudi Arabia, then you better know about this important rule and choose your employer carefully. As they say, it is better to be safe than sorry.
There is also another category of job transfer called "Release" but more on this in another posting.
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123 comments:

Anonymous said...

If want to leave on 1 month exit/reenty visa, can i be eligible to return back to on a new visa after this exit/reentry expires. My iqaama is valid till Shawwal.

Your reply will be very helpful.

Thanks

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

Irrespective of when your iqama expires, if you leave on an exit/reentry visa, it is impossible to arrive on a new visa without an NOC. In fact, you will be in deep trouble in case your current employer finds out that you have arrived and are working with another employer. Rest assured that you will be deported immediately, or even worse , may probably even be jailed for 'illegally' working with another sponsor (remember, you are planning to take an exit/reentry visa which means that atleast on paper your intention is to come back). Dont even take this chance. Your other option is to wait for 1 year when the NOC automatically becomes unnecessary.

Anonymous said...

Sir, Congragulations for your work.I want to know the minimun period of time after which I can come to KSA on another visa after getting NOC from the earlier sponsor(MOH)
Your reply will be helpful
Thanking you

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

Thanks for your comments. If you have an NOC from your earlier sponsor, you can re-enter immediately. If you do not have an NOC, you have to wait atleast one year.

Anonymous said...

Hi Guru,

You are doing a great service for us newbies in Saudi, keep up the good work!

I came to Jeddah 2 weeks ago from London on a visa (not sure exactly what type, but it says valid for 3 mths) as an English teacher. I have decided to leave the school after 1 mth & change employer. I have heard the NOC is not required by the Saudi embassy in London anymore is this true?

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

Glad that you liked this blog.

I am not sure on whose sponsorship you are. If you are female, did your husband sponsor you? In that case, you are free to switch over, because obviously your husband wouldn't mind. But if you are male or you are a female single who are on direct sponsorship of a Saudi, then you had it. All this talk of NOC being scrapped et all, is just...er...talk, nothing more. Your visa in all probability is a permanent visa and you probably haven't received your iqama as yet. That's why it has been mentioned as valid for 3 months, because by then you are supposed to get your iqama. If you plan to leave your present employer, you may probably have to pay for your ticket back home. Try negotiating with your sponsor for an NOC with your current sponsor. All the best!

Anonymous said...

Thanks for your reply Guru.

I am a single male and I think I am on direct sponsorship of the school as you mentioned. I hope to sign a new contract with another school soon, so I don't mind paying for my ticket home but I just want to leave this school without any trouble. Contractually I can leave, but I can't guarantee they will give me the NOC. If they refuse, I've heard the old trick of leaving the passport in the washing machine and getting a new one, clean of any previous visa.

ananimuz said...

I have my job in Saudi and my contract ends on March 2008. My question is isn’t possible to come back on APRIL 2008 in Saudi for another employer with new PASSPORT and VISA? I will exit my visa on my previous employer and I will get the new PASSPORT to become no hassle to entering again in Saudi. I want to know if my plan is doing wrong or isn’t ok to come back in Saudi if I will do that plan? Hoping you can help me.

Expatguru said...

What you are going to do is illegal as per Saudi law. I hope you have not given your finger prints already (it is being made compulsory for all expatriates). Assuming that you have not given your finger prints and assuming that you do come back on a new passport, you will have to live a life like a fugitive. If ever your present employer comes to know that you are back and working with another employer, rest assured that you will be deported back by the next available flight (if you are lucky) or worse, you may simply be put in jail indefinitely. Do not even try this!

Babar Haq said...

Hi Expatguru

What a wonderful blog. Saudi government should sponsor you so people can get live support :)

I have been out for more then a year but some how the visa agencies here claim that you need to be out for more then 2 years if you came out on exit/re-entry. Is there a way to dig out actual written rules from some where.

Last but not least the problem with me is the company I used to work for doesen't even exist anymore:)

Thanks in advance.
Babar

Expatguru said...

Hi Babar Haq,

Thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind sentiments.

//Saudi government should sponsor you so people can get live support :)//

First of all, I am not a legal expert, nor do I claim to be one. I have nothing to do with any Saudi official or unofficial government agency. I am just an ordinary expatriate, who writes his experiences, both good as well as not so good ones. Many times, I have thought of stopping to write as I do not get either the time or monetary benefit out of this. But just the sheer good feeling that some unknown person is getting a benefit out of my writing, keeps me going.

By the way, to return to Saudi without an NOC, you need to be out of the kingdom only for one year. This is from the date of expiry of your iqama or the date of final departure, whichever is later of the two.

Good luck to you!

Babar Haq said...

Thank you very much. May God bless you for all your efforts.

Regards,
Babar

ras said...

Excellent work. Keep it going! I am telling my friends about this site.

My question is about NOC. Is there a validity period for NOC from the date of issue? I am planning to go on exit and come back on another visa in about 6 months. Since the new visa will take some time, should I take my NOC now or only when the visa is avalable?

Expatguru said...

ras,

Thanks for visiting my blog and for your comments. There is no validity for an NOC. It is just a letter which says that your current employer has no objection to your working with someone else in the kingdom. For that matter, after one year, the NOC has no value because automatically you become eligible to work with anyone else. The one year period starts from the date of expiry of your iqama or the date of final departure, whichever is later of the two.

Anonymous said...

Hi,
Just wondering....is it possible to reenter on a "visit visa" and work with a new company within the first year? I know some people who work here on a visit visa since their company doesn't sponsor people. Would it be illegal for me to work on a visit visa if i don't obtain a NOC?

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

Don't even think of trying it. If you are caught, you would be straightaway thrown into prison and should consider yourself lucky if you are deported!

Anonymous said...

Dearest Guru please dont stop your work of helping needy people here Allah will surely reward you for this...well after reading almost all your blog yet couldnt find the reply to my question the question is that my wife is a doctor and came on my family visa after that her iqama transfered to a hospital for which she working..now if i want to change my job and i cant get NOC from my employer is it possible that i can come back on my wifes family visa as a house husband and later get my iqama transferred to other employer same as my wife did for her job?? Surely i will go on exit from my current employer. Thank u a millions.

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

Thanks for visiting my blog. Due to the extremely large number of queries I am getting daily, it is impossible to answer each and every question, considering that blogging is my hobby, not my profession. I do not get paid for this nor am I making any money out of this.

Having said this, regarding your question, please note that if you are an Indian national, you no longer need an NOC to re-enter the kingdom provided you go on exit. Please read my post
http://workinginsaudiarabia.blogspot.com/2008/05/noc-not-required-for-indians.html

I am not sure whether your wife would be able to sponsor you as a house husband. You have to check with some professional agent for this. My guess is that you will not be allowed to do so, for the simple reason that you are a potential job-seeker. The best and safest solution for you would be to fix up a good job before you leave and then come back on the new sponsor's visa.

Anonymous said...

Well i am a pakistani national from karachi, rules here allow woman to get their husband but i m not sure whether a husband could get release same as wife...and what will happen if he dont have an NOC will he still be able to come on wifes family visa?

May i suggest you that you could charge for the reply's you offer and i feel people may pay you. Best wishes

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

Thanks for the information that working wives can sponsor their husbands on visit visa. As I was not aware of this, I did not want to confirm anything which I was not sure of, because the credibility of this blog is extremely high.

Getting a release or an NOC from the husband's sponsor is a totally different issue. In case the husband wants to quit the present job, it is best that he does so.

If you are sure that a wife can sponsor a husband on visit visa (please double check this), then there is nothing which prevents the wife from sponsoring her husband on a visit visa, irrespective of his former employment status, because the husband is coming here only for "visiting", not for employment.

Ian said...

Congratulations on a wonderful site.

I have about six months left on my current 2 year contract. I have a good job offer in my home country and I possess my passport with my multiple rentry visa. I know that if I try to arrange my resignation with my employer I will face difficulties (including repayment of my housing allowance.) So what are the implications if I leave without telling my employer?

Expatguru said...

Ian,

Thanks for your comments. You intend fleeing the kingdom with dues still pending. This amounts to cheating, isn't it?

To answer your question, if you leave the kingdom with unsettled dues, rest assured that as and when you return you would be arrested, because the first thing your sponsor would do when he finds out that you have left for good, is to complain to the police.

My advice to you, is to settle all dues. This could be done by even sending a money transfer to your sponsor, once you reach home, in case it is uncomfortable to do so while you are in the kingdom. This way, atleast you would not be in the blacklist of the police! Regarding your return, you would have to wait atleast one year from the date of your departure to enter the kingdom without an NOC.

Ian said...

Yes I do agree that it seems unethical to leave in such circumstances. One problem in KSA is that landlords demand the rental be paid 12 months in advance, so it is difficult to repay the housing allowance.

On another note, the same employer makes other employees guarantee the debts of employees on vacation and also refuses to pay for the iqamas, medicals, etc of employees. The legality of these issues have been brought to their attention but they just shrug and say thats the way they do it.

Unfortunately, in KSA employers are permitted to cheat their employees.

Anonymous said...

Dear ExpatGuru,

What would happend if we leave the Kingdom without a proper exit visa (or only with multiple entry visa)? Can we still come to KSA after one year? Thanks.

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

It all depends on the type of your job. Saudi Law says that if the nature of your job is "sensitive", you will not be eligible to enter the kingdom for 3 years from the date of your departure. However, no one knows the definition of "sensitive" and it can be easily interpreted by your sponsor that your job was so. Hence, if you go on an exit only visa, you are safe to return without an NOC (if you are an Indian national). Please see my link
http://workinginsaudiarabia.blogspot.com/2008/05/noc-not-required-for-indians.html
For other nationalities, please refer to the Saudi Embassy in your home countries whether the law has been implemented or not.

riyan said...

Dear guru,
i am having a doubt regarding to NOC for indians, If the present employeer before leaving from the country is asking to write a letter saying that the person will not be coming for these much period , whether this document is officialy valid in according to Saudi Labor law. If the employeer is changed before these period whether the previous employeer will sue the case or not?. Your Kind advise is highly appreciated. Kindly advise

Expatguru said...

Riyan,

If your current employer wants an undertaking in writing that you will not be back in the kingdom for a certain period, the best solution is to give it to him in writing, so as to get your exit visa. The paper you would have given is just a piece of worthless trash, because you are protected by Saudi labor law which does not require an NOC. There is absolutely nothing which your current employer can do if you return on another visa, so do not worry. No point in quarelling with your sponsor or going to the labor court, because it will only delay your departure.

Anonymous said...

Dear guru,

I didnt know about such a good place on the web from where we can get benefited. Thanks again and please keep up your efforts. God Bless You!

My situation as follow:-

I came to work in Saudi Arabia in 2007 for a company from Pakistan. While working here in KSA I got another job which cant refuse, so I resigned from my job with a month notice as per contract and left kingdom in January. But the employer didnt give me NOC. I came out of Kingdom on Final Exit in January. My new employer has office in Dubai as well, hence Im working here with them. Now I want to go back to KSA again and I heard during past few weeks that NOC is no more required for the people who left on Final Exit. Can you please advise me if I will be able to get an employment visa now or not? In case I cant get it right now, how long I need to wait more (I came out of Kingdom in Jan-08)?

Thanks,

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

Thanks for your comments. The NOC rule was enacted 2 years back, but was never implemented until now. In fact, only from 1st March, 2008, it has been implemented for Indian citizens. I do not know whether it has been implemented for Pakistanis or not. Please first confirm from the Saudi Embassy in Pakistan whether the NOC law has been implemented or not for Pakistani nationals. If so, you are free to work in the kingdom as you have left on exit, otherwise you will have to wait for a year from the date of your departure.

Anonymous said...

Is it possible to get a copy of the new law enacted 2 years ago? Expatguru or anyone amongst the readers can help please?

regards,

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

The original law enacted 2 years ago is in Arabic. I have seen an English translation of the same. I am not aware where you could get a copy of the original law.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Guru, I have been able to get hold of a copy of the english translation. If anyone needs, please post your email ID I will send to you.

Im unable to find specific clause for NOC withdrawl, can you please let me know in which article is it?

regards,

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

Article 120 of the Executive bylaw of the Labor Law, implemented on the 20th April, 2007 clearly mentions this, but I do not know the details about the translation in your possession and whether it is the correct and latest one. This law was never implemented for Indian citizens until 1st May,2008.

I can say for sure that I have verified and have it in writing from official sources that NOC is no longer required for Indians, if they go on exit.

I would like to reiterate once more that I have no connection with the Governments of either Saudi Arabia or India. I am just another expatriate like you, not a legal expert. But I make sure that whatever I write here is 100% correct and truthful, which is why this blog is so popular. So, it is totally up to you to either take it or leave it.

Some people have been demanding that I show proof of the NOC rule. I simply reject those comments with contempt, because I do not charge anything for what I write here and so I am under no obligation to serve such anonymous people. To all such people, with due respect, I would like to say that if you want to get hold of an official document, directly get in touch with the Saudi Embassy in India and do not ask anyone, including me, for proof!

sanil said...

hi guru this is outstanding thank you for this wonderful informations. I came on final exit in June 08/2008. now I had another job offer. so is it possible to return back to Saudi in July/Aug 08 without NOC?

Expatguru said...

Sanil,

Read this link for detailed information

http://workinginsaudiarabia.blogspot.com/2008/05/noc-not-required-for-indians.html

sanil said...

Guru thanks for your valuable advices at least somebody is bothered about expatriates without remuneration. god bless you,

I am preparing to go back to Saudi after two months from my final exit. my new company said they are doing the visa formalities. what are the further procedures for my final departure? can you please kindly explain to me.

Expatguru said...

Sanil,

There is nothing much you have to do now. Just try to keep a good relationship with your existing sponsor and other friends, that's it. Your new employer will take care of all the formalities.

Good luck!

Anonymous said...

Hi, I heard that if you work for a government institution (University) and you decide to quit, you cannot work in the kingdom again for 2 years, is that true? can someone help me as i am about to accept an offer from a university in jeddah? (I'm a british national and have been offered an expat package)

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

Thanks for visiting my blog. What you heard is not true. The NOC requirement has been officially made a law which means that you can come back any time and work for another employer. The problem was that despite there being a law, it was never implemented (sounds strange, isn't it, but that's how the system is here!). With effect from 1st May, it has been implemented for Indian citizens. I have not seen any written document for other nationalities, and hence I am unable to confirm the same for British citizens. I would advise you to contact the Saudi Embassy in the UK and find out if the NOC rule has been implemented or not. Please also see this link for more details:
http://workinginsaudiarabia.blogspot.com/2008/05/noc-not-required-for-indians.html

sanil said...

Dear guru,

my company is willing to give me the NOC. they ask me to prepare the matter so that they will complete the signature and other things. So can you please tell me what should be the matter inside this certificate.and Attested by whom?


thanks and best regards
Sanil (KSA)

Expatguru said...

Sanil,

The NOC is a document which has Arabic on one side and English on the other in the same page. The contents of the document simply say that the current employer has no objection to you returning to the kingdom for employment with any other sponsor. This paper has to be signed by your sponsor, and most important, his signature must have been registered with the Chamber of Commerce. You must take his signature and rubber stamp in this paper and get it attested by the chamber of commerce in your city. Contact any of the professional translation offices and they would help you.

Afil said...

Dear Guru,
What are the attestations needed in NOC , is it required the stamp from Ministry of Foreign Affairs(Wazaratul Kharjia)other than Chamber of Commerce and Spornsors sign and stamp.

Expatguru said...

Afil,

You need attestation only from the Chamber of Commerce and signature / stamp of your sponsor.

Anonymous said...

Sir, good job! Just have a couple of questions. My contract will end on dec.31st 2008 but i filed my resignation (on July 20) effective Oct.20, 2008. Will i be eligible to recieve my end of service benefits? I work for this company now for less than 2 years. I heared that this benefit is only given provided i worked minimum of 2 years. please enlighten me thanks.

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

Since you are breaking the contract, you will not be entitled to ESB. Try to maintain a good relationship with your employer and see whether you can get atleast a partial amount on prorata basis. Good luck!

Anonymous said...

Hi..good day..I'm working here in saudi as a masseur but my employer gave me a family driver VISA.and I'm finishing my contract on December 29, 2008..but 1 hotel is hiring me now or after my contract expires,can I transfer to the said hotel after I go home for a month and come back for a masseur VISA?Do I have to get an NOC?


thanks,


mike

Expatguru said...

Mike,

Make sure you go on exit, not exit/reentry visa after your current contract. Give a written notice to your current employer well in advance of your intentions not to renew your contract. If you are an Indian national, you do not need an NOC. If you are not an Indian, please do check with the Saudi Embassy in your country as I am not sure of the same. Please also see this link

http://workinginsaudiarabia.blogspot.com/2008/05/noc-not-required-for-indians.html

Good luck!

Anonymous said...

thank you so much expat guru..I'm a filipino,Yes I have prepared already a NOC thats in arabic and english..does my passport have to be stamped with NOC?and what documents do they need so they can stamp NOC on my passport?

thanks again,

mike

Expatguru said...

Mike,

NOC is just a piece of paper in Arabic and English which says that your present sponsor has no objection to you returning to the kingdom for working with some other sponsor. Nothing will be stamped on your passport. The NOC has to be signed by your current sponsor with his rubber stamp. Take care that the signature on the NOC must have been already registered with the Chamber of Commerce in your city, i.e., the signature on the NOC must match with that in the computer of the Chamber of Commerce. The Chamber of commerce will verify if the signature on the NOC is the one registered with them and put their own stamp on the NOC. That's it, you are then free to return to the kingdom. However, please check with the Saudi Embassy in Manila whether the rule abandoning the NOC has been implemented in the Phillipines or not, because then you need not go through all this hassle.

Anonymous said...

Now I understand thank you so much to you..more power youve been a big help to all..


sincerely,

mike

Anonymous said...

Realy you are doing well and I appericiated your efforts and your work please keep contine.

Sir , I belong to Pakistan, Karachi. I am doing job in saudia arabia in one Company and I got very good job with very good salary pakage another company, But my pervious company is not giving me NOC.If I will go back to Pakistan for final Exit,and I want to come with New VISA , Could I come without NOC within two months.

Please reply me this is very common question for all Pakistani's employee.

Thanks,

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

Please read this link

http://workinginsaudiarabia.blogspot.com/2008/05/noc-not-required-for-indians.html

I do not know whether the rule has been implemented for Pakistani citizens. The best way is to check with the Saudi Embassy in your country. If the rule has not been implemented for Pakistanis, you cannot return within 2 months. Good luck!

Anonymous said...

Dear Guru,
I am about to resign from the current employer and leave the kingdom with exit-reentry visa with no NOC. I have a 2 years of iqomah, so when is the safe period of time for me to safely return to saudi for another employer with another visa ? And what about the other purpose of visit (haji or umroh).

Many Thanks

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

Read this link

http://workinginsaudiarabia.blogspot.com/2008/05/noc-not-required-for-indians.html

The NOC has nothing to do with Haj or Umra visa.

Anonymous said...

Hi there,

I am an Australian citizen and having trouble getting an NOC even though I have given an honest 4.5 yrs work for my employer.

I have read so many times that you only need to be away for one year before you can work in the Kingdom again, is this true for Australia expats? I was told by an employer that has offered me (a much better position) that I would have to wait 2 years and if it was the UK, 6 months. Can you confirm this?

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

The NOC-not-required rule came into effect about 2 years ago, but was never implemented by various embassies abroad. It has been implemented for Indian nationals. I would advise you to get in touch with the Saudi Embassy in Australia to get a confirmation whether the rule has been implemented or not. I would assume that it has been implemented for Aussies too, but this is just in case. Please read this link

http://workinginsaudiarabia.blogspot.com/2008/05/noc-not-required-for-indians.html

If you have a better offer, I would suggest you not to even inform your current employer or any of your present colleagues about the same. Just quit and come back on a new visa. The days of enslaving employees in the name of NOC are truly gone. Good luck!

P.S. In case you get any information from the Saudi Embassy in Australia, please do drop in a line in this blog, so as to benefit fellow expatriates.

Anonymous said...

Sir, nice work. Id like to know that I was working in Saudi and left Saudi on Re Entry Visa, Im currently in my home town and cannot return back atleast not for six months due to personnal reasons.
Please tell me am I elgible for a new Job in Saudi after 1 year. My re entry visa is valid for 60 Days.

One more thing, can this re entry visa cause hinderance if I apply to UAE or Qatar.

Regards

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

You can re-enter the kingdom for employment 1 year from the date of your departure. Your entry to other nations in GCC is unrelated to your visa status in Saudi Arabia.

Anonymous said...

dear guru
thanks for your feedback on exit rentry visa
I have a question I left my job in sept 2007 (exit rentry but did,nt went back) but my Iqama is still valid till jul 2009 I want to know whether I can go to perform Hajj or not
I would really appreciate your response

Expatguru said...

Yes, there is no restriction on performing Hajj.

Anonymous said...

Dear Guru,

You are doing a very nice job, as these kinds of technical information are rarely found on the internet regarding different visa issues.

My question is bit similar to to one asked above.

I am Pakistani national and Engineer by profession, i worked for an Oil Company in Al-khobar / Saudi Arabia from July-2006 to Oct-2007, later i was transferred within the same company to Pakistan. I got my final exit Visa and my Iqama was returned to authorities. My Exit Visa date is of 7th Oct,2007.

Now i have left that employer in Pakistan,and got one lucrative offer in Saudia again. I dont have NOC from previous employer, neither they are in the mood to issue one right now.
Its more then one year that i have left Saudi Arabia. Now i have to apply for Work Permitt Visa and came to know via VISA-Agent that if you dont have NOC, you have to wait for 3 years before applying for new work permitt visa.

I am confused about the duration of the period, after which you can apply, is it 1 year or 3 years? is this rule general or specific for Pakistan.

Any answer to this question will be appreciated by GURU or any other guy.

Regards
javed

Expatguru said...

Javed,

NOC has been abolished long back. The only problem is that it has not been implemented by all Saudi Embassies around the world. Indian nationals do not need an NOC any more. I do not know the status about Pakistani citizens, but since you are already in Pakistan, the best way is to find out from the Pakistani Embassy or Consulate in your country. As a matter of courtesy to fellow expatriates, would you please let us know your experience whether this has been implemented or not in Pakistan, as it would help your fellow countrymen. By the way, you can return for employment after one year, even if the NOC rule hasn't been implemented.

Jawad said...

Hey dear,

I checked with the all the Saudi visa counsultants in Pakistan, Islamabad, and came to know that you must require the NOC, otherwise the time duration without NOC should be 3 years. Its sad to hear that the NOC stuff is not implemented in paksitan.

Guru my last employer is not issuing me the NOC, without any reason, neither there was anything in contract, is there anyway i can report it in Saudi, or do official complain for that.

Regards
Javed

Expatguru said...

Javed,

I would still advise you to check directly with the Embassy / Consulate in Pakistan, not with any consultant. Let it come from the horse's mouth. In case of Indians, I have with me a written document and that is why I am so confident that NOC is not required for Indians. I also do not believe that you have to wait for 3 years. That rule has long become obsolete and it is now 1 year only. If you were holding a "sensitive" position (there is still no official definition of that word in immigration circles!), the waiting period is for 2 years, but for most of us it is 1 year only.

Javed said...

Dear Expat Guru,

With reference to your last post regarding my case you mentioned,

" That rule has long become obsolete and it is now 1 year only. If you were holding a "sensitive" position (there is still no official definition of that word in immigration circles!), the waiting period is for 2 years, but for most of us it is 1 year only."

Do you have some authentic document which can proof it. Please note that the reason for asking for a valid paper proof document is not to challenge the aunthenticity of your words, rather it will help me to show to Saudi Consulate and update their rules for NOC in pakistan.

Regards
Javed

Expatguru said...

Javed,

I do not charge anyone for what I write here. Hence I am under no obligation whatsoever to anyone to supply "proof". What I can say for sure is that I verify several times personally before writing something in my blog. You are most welcome to either take it or leave it.

Having made this absolutely clear, I would like to caution you without mincing any words, that if you make any attempt to challenge anyone in any Saudi Embassy or Consulate, you would simply be shown the door. They of course know the rules more than anyone else and it purely depends on their own convenience when they implement a particular rule.

Jawad said...
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Anonymous said...

Hi Guru,

I would really like to appreciate you for the time and effort you have put in to provide us the information which is really hard to get. Thank you so very much.

I have a few questions on which i need your advice.

I am a local hire working in one of the companies in Saudi Arabia. The company only transferred the sponsorship from my father's company to their name. Now, if i want to resign from the company, would they put me on permanent exit? After the resignation, can i work in another local company in Saudi Arabia? Do i still require an NOC?

I would really appreciate your response.

Thanks.....

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

If you are an Indian national, you do not require an NOC provided you have gone on exit. I cannot answer whether your new sponsor will send you on exit or not. It is better to deal with them smoothly for your own sake. In case the relationship is strained, you can still resign and make sure that you go on exit. If you are not an Indian, please check with the Saudi embassy in your country whether the NOC-not-required rule has been implemented or not.

Jawad said...

Dear Expate Guru,

I need your help regarding an urgent issue. Is there Saudi law or obligation for the employers in Saudi arabia to issue the NOC. I mean if someone have left the company without the violation of any contract with its employer. And employer is refusing to issue the NOC, i mean how Saudi law say about it?

Regards
Javed

Expatguru said...

Javed,

An employer cannot be forced to issue an NOC and there is no such obligation to do so.

Jawad said...

Guru,

I read some where, that employer should issue the NOC ,unless there is violation of contract from the employee or any other violation as per the contract.
Otherwise if the employer refuse to issue the NOC, you can contact the Labour Ministry. I will like to know your opinion regarding this.

Regards
Javed

Expatguru said...

Javed,

Only if a sponsor decides to close his business or if he sells his business to another owner, is he bound to allow you to work with any other sponsor. In all other cases, there is no obligation on him to do so.

Anonymous said...

Dear Guru,

Congratulations for an excellent blogspot you have here!

I am due to leave KSA (final exit) on Dec-1, and would like to solicit your valuable advice on the following.

Can you pls. advise on end-of-service benefits (ESB) for an expatriate having served 2yrs & 8 months (March 2, 2006 - Nov. 30, 2008)& after complying with the regulatory 1 month advance notice of resignation. Last month wage is SR 3,500 + SR 1,200 allowances. This expat is eligible for yearly vacation: he availed his vacation for 2007 but has not used his vacation for 2008.

Given above details, pls. advise detailed breakdown of ESB computation based on the latest saudi labor law. Kindly also clarify if he is entitled payment for unused vacation, with computation breakdown.

Can you also share with us if ESB computation varies from company to company... or must this be standard & based on the saudi labor law?

Appreciate your earliest reply & thanks for sharing knowledge with fellow expats. More power!

Thanks & regards,
pvjr08

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

I will be shortly writing a detailed post on ESB. ESB is standard for all companies in the kingdom and the details have been clearly mentioned in the labor law.

Anonymous said...

Expartguru,

Your work here benefits many, Jazakallah hu khairan.

One question, if I want to switch job from Saudi to one of the other GCC countries, do I need the NOC.

Thanks,
Hanafi

Expatguru said...

Hanafi,

Thanks for your comments.

You definitely do not need a Saudi NOC for working in any other country. I am quite aware that a few agents insist on this, but this is certainly NOT a requirement by any other country. Every country has its own sovereign rules and regulations and are not bound by any other country's rules.

Anonymous said...

hello,

need to know what documents required for a computer engineer visa,

thanks

hjk

Expatguru said...

HJK,

Your degree certificate attested by your country's HRD Ministry (or its equivalent) and the Saudi Embassy in your home country and translated in Arabic.

Anonymous said...

Hi, I want to know the validity period of final exit i.e within how many days we should exit after the final exit is stamped

Please advise --

AT

Anonymous said...

Hi

I am on a Financial/Banking Analyst or expert professional visa & have new offer from other Bank. I plan to have final exit from my existing employer & come back on new visa (same as of my existing visa / Iqama profession)
I have been informed that the NOC from current employer is not mandatory from our category of visa i.e Banking Analyst
Please advise -- AT

Expatguru said...

AT,

The date by which you must exit the kingdom will be mentioned in the exit visa stamp.

NOC has no relationship with the visa category. It depends on your nationality. If you are an Indian, you do not need an NOC. If you are from any other country, find out from the Saudi Embassy in your country whether the NOC rule is implemented or not. Read my post on NOC written elsewhere in this blog.

Anonymous said...

Nice informative blog, keep it up.

I have a question. I am with a company on 2 years contract. 8 hours duty. Can I take overtime with another company?

Thanks for such a good informative blog.

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

If you are caught working for an employer who is not your sponsor, you will be first jailed and then deported. Don't even try it.

Anonymous said...

Good Morning Guru.

First of all thanks a lot for your wonderful blog. It's really helpful and the effort that you are taking to help others is just wonderful. Have a grt year ahead.

I have one question about the NOC for Indians. Is that rule is still valied? One of my friends says that no NOC is required for Indians from this month (january 2009) .. Is it true? can I submit a resignation letter to my current employer who is not at all willing to give either release or NOC.

thnaks in advance
Indran

Expatguru said...

Indran,

Read this link

http://workinginsaudiarabia.blogspot.com/2008/11/noc-required-again-for-indians.html

Anonymous said...

Dear Expatguru, I came to Pakistan on two-months emergency leave on 08-Sep-08 but did not return back to KSA. The expiry date of my IQAMA is 15-March'09. In order to get new visa, I will have to wait one year. I wish to know whether this one-year waiting period will start from the date of expiry of my Iqama(15-Mar'09) or the expiry of my exit/reentry (07-Nov-08)? I would be thankful for your reply.

Expatguru said...

It is from the iqama expiry date.

Anonymous said...

good day sir

the info you are giving are very helpful, many thanks

I am from the philippines and have been working here in saudi arabia for 3 years. I am planning to go final exit and come back with a new visa and will be working in the same city with a new employer.

my questions are...
1. in my case should i stay in the philippines for 1 year before i can comeback if my employer will not give me a NOC eventhough i have a clean record with my previous employer?
2. now they have this eye scanning and fingerprint scanning, but i have not yet undergo with this process and i still have the booklet type of iqama, is this included in the process of my final exit?
3. if i manage to come back after less than a year, some are saying they will hold me at the airport because of this eye and fingerprint scan. is this true?

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

First, please check with the Saudi embassy in the Philippines whether an NOC is required or not. If you do not have an NOC, you have to resign your current job, go on exit (NOT exit/reentry) and can return after 1 year. If you go on an exit/reentry visa without an NOC you have to wait for 2 years before returning.
If your fingerprints haven't been taken yet, it will be taken when at the airport when you leave.

Sanaullah said...

First of all I am really appreciate your effort to providing us this much valuable information.
I belongs to Pakistan, i worked in Saudi Arabia about 2 years.in the last year feb,2008 I took the vacation from my employer on exit/reentry Visa for some personal reason i did not return back to Saudia. its about more then one year passes over my iqama was experied on 01-03-2009 and i dont have NOC, is it possible to join another employer after more then one year on new Visa ?

Expatguru said...

Sanaullah,

You can return after March, 2011.

Anonymous said...

Dear Expatguru,

I'm non Indian. If our contract expires and we don't want to renew do we still need NOC to work in another company.

On the other side, if the company is the one that don't want to renew it, do we need NOC.

Salam

Expatguru said...

Salam,

If you are not an Indian national, you would require an NOC in any case to return for employment - whether you submit the resignation or whether the sponsor sacks you. The tragedy is that NOC has been officially banned 2 years back, but the rule has not been implemented by Saudi embassies uniformly all over the world.

Anonymous said...

Dear Expatguru:
I availed two-month exit-reentry and did not come back because of bad company management. My iqama expired just a week ago but still the company has not returned my iqama. Instead, the company is offering me an extension in my expired exit/reentry by sending a letter to Saudi Consulate in my home city. I worked sincerely throughout my work duration but had serious concerns regarding employees’ rights. Company neither gives visa transfer nor it gives NOC in case of exit &/or exit-reentry. Company played with the future of many employees. Off course I would never wish to resume my job there BUT can I use their extension letter addressed to Saudi consulate as an “NOC” to get new work visa in KSA?
I hope you would answer the query.
Thanks

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

There is no such thing as an "extension". Remember that they cannot extend your iqama when you are out of the kingdom, so just forget it. By the way, if you are not an Indian national and you do not have an NOC and you have come on an exit/reentry visa, you will have to wait for 2 years from the date of expiry of your iqama. Thank your stars that you managed to escape from this company and make efforts to work in some other country. Good luck!

Ayub said...

Salaam,May Allaha bless you For All your help,
I Am Indian Working On Labor Visa
I am plannig to go on exit as i have a visa for 'Electroni hasib'
I Suppose its a technician visa which is eligible for family visa.
i have read almost all you post's regarding the NOC,i will get the NOC also,coz after trying for transfer for almost 6 months,i was not able to do it in legal fashion.
so my sponser has provided with a new visa,so that i can get my family.hope i can come back imm.
kindly advise,i need to do anyting after get NOC and getting it attested from chamber of commerce.
should i go on exit or exit re-entry, i am still unsure coz as you have said it uncertan hear in KSA. plz advise i plan to leave in comming week,(at)hbinmadi(at)yahoo(.)com,
salaam, and thank you for all you great advise

Expatguru said...

Ayub,

Until recently, a technician visa was eligible for a family visa. I now receive reports, particularly from Riyadh region, that technicians are not being allowed to bring their families. Please make absolutely sure that you will be able to bring your family, before leaving. Of course, you do not need an NOC as you are an Indian national.

Anonymous said...

Hello its ayub hear again,
i have done kafala my بناع bulding labour,
how can i bring my family , as u said earlier technician visa is likely get family,not confirmed in my area though.
what i have to do to change my profession in iqama to get my family,is it very diff. to do so,what is the solution for such problems,my kafil is supportive but has not got much wasta.plz advice !!! may allaha help us all
salaam

Anonymous said...

guru,
nice work bro,keep it up may allah bless you and ur family for the great help u r doing
salaam

Expatguru said...

Ayub,

It is impossible to sponsor anyone or change your profession if you are on a labour visa. The only way is to go on exit and return on a supervisory category visa. Recently, even technician visas are being denied family status by the officials, particularly in Riyadh region.

Anonymous said...

guru,
thank you bro,do the needful as early as possible,
salaam

Indian said...

Helloo Sir,

Very glad to see this in this era also someone is there to help others really your work is very appreciable..Allah Tumko Jaza e khair de..

Sir, i came in saudi three months back & now i have a very good offer with me in KSA, i want to leave from here but as ususal confused about NOC.. can you advice me abt this as follow:

1.Is the NOC necessary for INDIANS as on date..??

2. I have the letter of NOC but i dont know from where to get it chambered if NOC is required PLS advice me from where can i get it done in KSA..??

Eagerly waiting for your valuable reply..

Truly...

Expatguru said...

Indian,

NOC is not required for Indian citizens as of today.

ecozone said...

I am an Indian and has been recently selected in an University in Saudia as Assistant Professor. I wanted to know as to if I wish to leave the job in the middle, that is, before the end of the contract, can I do so. Can an employee resign in Suadia and if so what could be repercussions and formalities, if any. Please guide

Expatguru said...

Ecozone,

It depends on the contract you sign. Make sure that there is a specific clause on this in your contract. It is common for sponsors to ask their employees to pay up the return fare and the cost of recruitment in case the latter wishes to cut short the contract. Whether this is legally admissible is another issue, but this is what is normally happening here.

Anonymous said...

sir, your blog was great and very informative, its very timely because there are lots of workers coming to saudi arabia without any idea of what are waiting for them in saudi. Sir, can you help me with my problem? I worked in saudi for just 3 months and decided to go home in my country because there is a problem with my employer regarding on transferring of my assignment to other place in the kingdom which I did not accept or agreed. I paid the company with what I have to pay including my Iqama, Airfare from my homecountry to saudi(which the employer paid for me to be in saudi), I settled everything and got my exit visa. the company did not mentioned to me anything about the NOC. Now,with almost 8 months after those incident, I received an offer to work for another company in Saudi but they were looking for my NOC and they told me that there will be a problem on me to enter the kingdom and they will not allow me. Sir can you give me an advice on what to do and is it true that I will not be able to enter the Kingdom again this time?

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

If you are an Indian citizen, you do not need an NOC and can reenter the kingdom right away. If you are of any other nationality, please check with the Saudi Embassy in your home country. If you are not an Indian, you will need to wait atleast one year from the date of your iqama expiry to reenter the kingdom without an NOC.

Anonymous said...

sir i need your professional advice regarding my situation. currently i already worked in ksa for more than 10 months now. suddenly my migrant visa for nz is approved. i try to resign to be able to have a good exit. but i think my company would not give any exit or exit/reentry visa. with your good opinion what is my best options.

Anonymous said...

Dear Expatguro,

I would like to thank you for a very informative blogs you have written particularly with Saudi Labor Laws, especially for us expatriates which has little knowledge on the rules here in the kingdom.

I am a Filipino national working here in Saudi Arabia in Oil and GAS industries for the past 7 year now, I have filed my resignation with my present company last May 22, 2010 and it will take effectively on July 30, 2010. I was just informed by our administration department that our company will not give any more final exit stamp to all employees as their management prerogative to protect their interest instead they will issue a single exit re-entry valid for 9 months or 1 year. I have tried to talk to them and convince them to my provide me a final exit instead of exit re-entry but our vice president told that its their permanent policy to avoid employees specially sales people to move to our competitor’s. I have told them my reason that my work does not have any direct contact or relationship with their customers.

This are may following inquiries below;

If ever I pursue my request for final exit as I have given them 2 months notice of my resignation which I have their acknowledgement, Can I complaint them to Saudi Labor office about this subject, in your opinion do you think I have chance to get a final exit with if I complaint ?

Because I have several over’s also here in Saudi Arabia which I want to come back? I only need final exit in order to return to KSA as NOC is no longer required as I have verified with Embassy already for our nationality.

As you mention if I got stamp for exit re-entry, I have to wait 2 years from the expiration of my iqama which is expires on May 2011. But some of my colleagues and my friends from other companies told me that once you go out thru exit re-entry and never came back using the same entry, I will be automatically blacklisted in KSA due to I will be classified as a runaway employee.

They also told me that their is now new GCC immigration rules and agreement signed by respective countries in the gulf region that being implemented that once you are blacklisted in one country it will be shared online each from its GCC member countries. That’s why they have started to implement finger print, retina scan to protect the interest of the each respective countries and as they want to reduced the expatriate working in the gulf region and reduced the unemployment rate to their local nationals. Is this true or you have heard this already research about this or it’s just a gossip?

Because if in case I can not come back to Saudi Arabia, I want to try also other GCC countries like Qatar, to try employment opportunities.
I hope you can answer my inquiries before I leave KSA.

Regards,
Mark

Expatguru said...

Mark,

Please send your query using the link given in the top right corner of this blog. I charge a nominal fee for my consultancy, which would get you a detailed personalized reply.

Anonymous said...

Dear Sir,

in december 2009 i had some conflict with my employer and they fired me and sent on final exit with clearing my all dues. now i got another offer from KSA and my agent in asking for money to get visa from emabcy because as per him he got objection due to your karooj-e-nahi. so is it possible that i will get visa and on arrival in KAS will be deported back because during my conflict once my employer threat me that they will blacklist me.
Sir please replay ASAP
Kishor

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

Please fill in your query using the form through the link in the top right corner of this blog. I charge a nominal fee for my consultancy, which would get you a detailed personalized reply.

Anonymous said...

why we should pay you. you are not a lawyer.

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

Good quesiton. I never claimed to be a lawyer. But there is no such thing as a free lunch. If you want MY answer, you got to pay me for my time. Got it?

Anonymous said...

Hi Expatguru,
Excellent job, please dont stop giving your expert advice and guideline.

I am a Canadian Citizen and currently based in Saudi, planning to switch job.

I will be getting the Release from my current employer (as I have seen my Ex colleagues got it too).

Now my question is, I have a bank loan for a year or more. Do I need to repay it to bank?

FYI: I will not be leaving the country as I will get a Release/Transfer from my current employer.

Thank you very much in advance for your guideline and advice.

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

Please fill in your query in the form using the link in the top right corner of this blog. I charge a nominal fee for my consultancy, which would get you a detailed, personalized and confidential reply by email.

Anonymous said...

Dear ExpatGuru,

My Nationality is pakistani. I am on vacation these days. I have got an offer from another company. I will resign Once i will go back. My query is,
1) NOC is required in order to come back on new VISA?
2) Is there any rule that employer has to issue NOC to his employee if he is sending him on final exit?
3) If i will not get NOC, after how many days or months i can come back to saudia arabia.
Regards

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

Please fill in your query in the form using the link in the top right corner of this blog. I charge a nominal fee for my consultancy, which would get you a detailed, personalized reply by email.

jsquared_4eva said...

Dear Expatguru,

Firstly, may you be rewarded for your effort, I am truly inspired - people don't do this nowadays, as in provide info, next to nothing. My inquiry: If I visit the Kingdom on a visitor's visa, & extend it, say, for a complete 3 month-duration & then exit the country, when will I be allowed to apply for another visitors' visa?

Expatguru said...

jsquared_4eva,

Please fill in your query in the form using the link in the top right corner of this blog. I charge a nominal fee for my consultancy, which would get you a detailed, personalized reply by email.

Anonymous said...

Hello Sir,

Good day. I saw your blog and hoping to have a definite answer to a very similar question i have in my mind. :)

I am Bryan and i just want to inquire on an issue regarding obtaining a new working visa on saudi arabia.

A brief history, I worked on Jeddah Saudi Arabia last 2009-2010.

Upon my first entry to the kingdom, i went through the biometrics process where they scanned my passport and my fingerprints etc...After a month or so, the company was able to issue my iqama with number 2276381148.

Year 2010, My first vacation came, and they issued me an exit re entry visa, but due to unfortunate circumstances, i was not able to come back.

Recently, my former boss emailed me... sending me an invitation to visit saudi (a multiple exit-reentry visa valid for i think 1 year.). and once there, they will apply a new visa for me so i would be able to have a new working visa and a residence permit.

My questions sir:

1. Shall I be allowed to re enter the kingdom on these present dates 2013 or let's say some time around January 2014. i am afraid because i already did the finger-printing before.

2. Shall I have the chance to be issued a new iqama by my new employee(who's actually my previous one too but i believe he established a new company)?

3. what's the worst case scenario that could happen upon my arrival there?




Thank you sir and I will greatly appreciate any form of response or advice you might have

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

Please fill in your query in the form using the link in the top right corner of this blog. I charge a nominal fee for my consultancy, which would get you a detailed, personalized reply by email.