Saturday, August 23, 2008

Permanent family visa for Saudi Arabia

The biggest problem facing expatriates working in Saudi Arabia is bringing one's family into the kingdom. I had already covered the procedure for the same earlier (please click this link). But this was for bringing one's family on a visit visa. I would now like to mention the procedure for bringing one's family on a permanent visa.
I have mentioned several times in the past about the profession in the residence permit or iqama (See this link for more details). The biggest hurdle facing an expatriate working in Saudi Arabia is the profession in his iqama. It is quite common to find people working in one profession whereas his iqama would have something else as a profession. In fact, one ex-Principal of an international school here, a professor with a double doctorate, had to resign in frustration and go back, as he could not bring his family here. The reason? His profession was mentioned as a painter, and as per the rules, a painter cannot sponsor his wife! What a pity!
Coming back to our topic, the first thing you should do is to check your iqama profession. If it is mentioned as "Labor" or "Operator" or "Secretary" or any other non-supervisory category, you can straightaway assume that you cannot bring your family either on visit or on permanent visa. But if you are qualified, i.e., a degree holder and yet your iqama profession is in one of those mentioned in the 'restricted' list, then the best way out is to get your profession changed as mentioned here (please click here) and then apply for a family visa.
Next, you must get the following certificates attested in your home country.
1. Your original degree / diploma certificate
2. Your original marriage certificate
3. Copies of Birth certificates of your children
You also need the following:
1. Arabic translation of your marriage certificate
2. Arabic translation of your degree / diploma certificate
Note that all of these have to be done in your home country. For your degree certificate, you must first get the same attested by the HRD Ministry or the Ministry of Education (where applicable) of your home country's government. Once this is done, it has to be re-attested by the Saudi Embassy in your home country.
Once all the above are ready, they have to be brought to the kingdom by you. Now, you need two more documents. The first is your salary certificate which has to be attested by the Chamber of Commerce in your city. The next is an introduction letter from your sponsor in Arabic, complete with all the details of your salary, your position in the company, etc., in the company letter head with the signature of your company's authorized representative and company seal.
Approach any of the numerous agents here and get all the processing done through them. This would save you time and energy. However, you can also get the work done here yourself. In that case, do the following.
Get an application form for permanent family visa and fill all the details in Arabic. You may need an Arabic-speaking person next to you to do this. Make sure that there are no mistakes. Next, submit the following to the Passport Department ( Jawasat )in your city:
1. Original family visa application
2. Copy of your iqama
3. Original salary certificate / introduction letter from your company in Arabic with salary details attested by the Chamber of Commerce
4. Copy of the passport of each one in your family (eg., wife and each child)
5. Copy of birth certificate for each of your children
6. Arabic translation of the copy of your marriage certificate
7 Copy of your degree / diploma certificate which has been attested.
9. Arabic translation of your degree / diploma certificate.
9. Copy of your passport
10. Copy of your work permit card (the original is normally attached to the passport and will be in custody of your sponsor)
If you are going personally, keep ready with you the originals of the following:
1. Original degree certificate
2. Original marriage certificate
3. Original iqama
4. Original work permit card
The above may be required for verification and depends on the mood of the officer across the counter :)
If everything goes well, he will give you a so-called 'Yellow Slip' immediately. Get a color photo copy of this yellow slip for your records and send the original to your family in your home country.
Ask them to submit copies of all of the above documents, along with the original yellow slip and original passports of your wife and children to the consulate of embassy of the Saudi Government in your home country. Usually, if it is not Ramadan or Haj season, you should get a permission to proceed for medical test within 2 weeks. Once this is obtained, ask your family to get the medical test in the authorized place (mentioned by the Embassy). This medical report must be again submitted to the embassy. That's it. The visa would be stamped on the passports of your family and they just have to buy their tickets to join you in the kingdom.
Hope the above post was useful. Do let me know of the same. Your appreciation is my motivation to write more.

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Anonymous said...

I really want to appreciate your work. Just like to share that one of my friend faced a problem that he needs to submit the work permit too along with all the documents you mentioned in Riyadh Office and since he don't have the permit ready at that time he got rejected twice.

பொதிகைச் செல்வன் said...

Thank you verymuch for the useful post. Keep it up thi excellent work.
Thanks
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Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

Thank you so much for pointing this out. I have corrected the same in the original post.

Anonymous said...

Thanks a lot Guru,
can a "Computer Programmer" Visa Category person bring his Mother-in-Law to Kingdom in Visit Visa

wife is working in MOH under sponsorship of Ministry, living together.
pl. explain

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

Yes, you can. See this link for details

http://workinginsaudiarabia.blogspot.com/2008/08/permanent-family-visa-for-saudi-arabia.html

Ram said...

Hi Expat Guru,

Atlast i have got the degree attested from Saudi Consulate in Delhi, it took 3 weeks as they did not accept the documents in first 2weeks, But i see no advantage till the iqama is processed.

Your blog on family visa is very useful and informative, and will surely help fellow blogger and expats.

My question-
1) I understand that while staying in kingdom on visit visa, work permit cannot be processed, but also people say that i can go to Bahrain and get the visa converted in Saudi Consulate along with medical in Bahrain and come back on work visa, is it so?

2)I also understand from your blog that minimum it would take 3-6 weeks to get all process done for family visa subject to condition my iqama is done and with appropriate profession, is that right?
3) If my sponsor is in Al-Khobar, obviously my iqama has to be processed in Khobar, is it possible to process my family visa from Riyadh where im currently staying?
4)Once all the formailities are over, is it mandatory that i enter the kingdom through Khobar or i can land with my family directly in Riyadh?

Its really feels great to have someone like you sharing valuable information which helps people immensely
I do request you to keep blogging as much as you can, as it is really helpful to people who land here with full of uncertainities

Regards
Bala

Expatguru said...

Bala,

Thanks for your comments. Glad to know that this blog has been of some use to you.

Regarding your queries,

1. Note that without a permanent visa for yourself, it is impossible to bring your family either on visit or on permanent visa. Dont believe in all that humbug about going to Bahrain, etc.

2. Yes, you are correct.

3. Theoretically, you can get your visa processed anywhere in the kingdom, as the network is the same. However, since your sponsor is in Al-Khobar, it is more out of convenience for him that it is processed in Dammam passport office. It is also in your own interest, because if something goes wrong, your sponsor's intervention is required, so why even bother to do this in Riyadh?

4. You can enter the kingdom from anywhere.

Asher said...

Hi Expat Guru,

I think you need to write a book for Expats coming to Saudi. Would be a best seller :)

My Goverment Relations agency tells me that there is a Working Visit visa which could be obtained for short work periods of 3 months/6 months through MOFA. Would you have an idea about this & how would these be different from normal business visa.

Regards

Pratik

PS: Lets meet sometime when you visit Riyadh. My email id is pratikasher (at) gmail (dot) com. Do send me a test mail, i will be happy to share my contact details.

AFIFA said...

aswk
i am afifa jabeen from the saudi gazette. i am doing a story about blogs in saudi arabia.i think u have an excellent blog...v helful for expats.....i want to know more about the blog and the blog author.it wud b very nice if u cud give me ur tel no or email id so that i can call u or email u sum questions that i have...\thanku

Expatguru said...

Pratik,

Thanks for your comments. There is indeed a link in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs website about a working visa. However, I am not aware of its duration and I would not like to say something which I am not sure of.

I would love to meet new friends, but on a public forum like this, I would like to maintain my anonymity and privacy. I do have plans to make an e-book, but for the moment I do not intend to close this blog. This started of as a hobby, but the overwhelming popularity of this blog makes me humble and realize that I have to take great care to give only unbiased and truthful information for the benefit of our expatriate brothers and sisters.

Expatguru said...

Afifa,

Thanks for your comments. As a matter of abundant caution, I would request you to please mail me from your official Saudi Gazzette email (of course, I would not publish it). This is required only verification purposes. I am quite uncomfortable in revealing my identity unless I am sure of the genuiness of the source. Hope you understand.

AFIFA said...

expatguru,

That is fair enough. i will mail u from my official id asap.
thank you v much.

khanms73 said...

Hi Expat Guru,
I have just become a member & I find your posts to be very informative.I appreciate your work.
InshaAllah I plan to travel to for employment to a company in Dammam. I want to know a few things.
1) If my visa category is "Marketing Specialist" then is it possible to bring my family.
2)How much would an agent charge in Saudi for Visa formalities for My wife & 2 daughters aged 4 yrs & 5.5 yrs.
Kindly reply at the ealiest
Thanks & Regards
Suhail

Anonymous said...

ASAK
I am shahid, i want to ask u something. I brought my mom on a visit visa, but the visit visa got expired and its now 15 days overstayed, we didnot renew it as we got confused with arabic days mentioned on the visa. please guide me on what i should do, some people are saying that wait for the authorities to announce for grace period for overstayers on visit visa.

Expatguru said...

Shahid,

As per the latest rules, if the person you sponsored overstays, you will be fined SR10000 plus you will also be deported. You are now in a really bad situation. Try to get hold of your sponsor or some person with a really good Wasta and see if you can talk to the concerned authorities.ood luck!

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the information
I wanted to ask u about certificate attestation, i have a diploma certifacte from a private institute in mumbai, can i submit that certificate for a family visa,(for my visa status i can call my family). will the authorities accept it and since its from a private institute saudi embassy in india does not attest it.
pls advice me on this
Thanks

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

The Saudi Government has nothing to do with the contents of what is mentioned in your degree or diploma. That is the job of HRD Ministry, who will verify if your certificate is genuine and whether it is from a recognized university or not. I am not aware whether HRD Ministry would attest your certificate, but you can try your luck. What the Saudi Embassy does is to just attest the signature and seal of the HRD Ministry and they do not take responsibility for attesting the contents of your educational certificate.

Expatguru said...

Suhail,

You can bring your family under this category. I am not aware of the charges of agents. It is usually bargainable and it is better you directly deal with such agents personally.

Anonymous said...

I did enquire about the procedure of attestation of my Degree from Saudi Culture Mission in USA.
iam sharing it with you it might help someone who graduated from USA and living in Saudi Arab.
University Degrees from USA
For verification of university degrees, the following should be sent to:
Saudi Cultural Mission
2600 Virginia Ave. Suite # 800
Washington, D.C. 20037

Name of applicant & S.S#.
Name of Employer.
Name of the Courier Agency.
A letter stating the reasons of for requiring Authentication.
A copy of the employment contract.
A copy of the applicant's passport.
A certified copy of the applicant's college/university degree.
Updated official transcript (in a sealed envelope).
Name of the college/university and telephone number of the registrar or the records office.
Verification letter from the registrar's office including applicant's SS#. (School ID number), and the telephone number and the contact person in the registrar's office.
Written consent to allow the Saudi Cultural Mission to verify the degrees.


Notes
Nurses and physicians are required to provide a copy of their practice license, and the telephone number, for confirmation of the validity of license.
For any other certificate or diploma, the place of training and the telephone number of the contact person is required.
For more information please call Mr. Raddah Otaibi at (202) 298-8840 or send a fax at (202) 298-8886.

Thanks Pervez

Expatguru said...

Pervez,

Thanks for this very useful information.

Zeeshan said...

I am grateful to the services you are volunteering. I have a question, I want to bring my school going nephews on visit to Riyadh my Iqama profession is Telecom Engineer. Is is possible? their ages are 10 years and 15 years.

Expatguru said...

Zeeshan,

The definition of "family" for a visit visa is only for the parents and children of either of the spouses. It does not extend to any other person. Hence, you will not be able to sponsor your nephews.

Zakaria said...

This one's for Zeeshan,

You can sponsor your brother and sister along with their spouses and children to visit Saudi Arabia. In March of this year, I visited Saudi with my wife and son sponsored by my brother-in-law (wife's brother). My brother-in-law works in Riyadh as a computer programmer.

Expatguru said...

Zakaria,

Thanks a lot for updating. This information is new to me. This is another proof how this blog has become so popular and has turned into a help-one-another platform among the expatriate community.

Hussain Ratlamwala said...

Dear Guru,
Thanks for all the valuable information put on this blog. I was really cicrumspect about the visa formalities when i landed in the kingdom, but now after reading this blog, i know the check points to be taken care of.
I have just one question though. If my wife is coming on a visit visa, can she go for Umrah on that visa? or does she require a special visa for that purpose?
Thanks in advance for your valuable Input

Anonymous said...

Dear Expat Guru, Great blog, May Allah give the best reward for this work.

Dear Zakaria, Assalam alikum, I (Computer Programmer) want bring my sister and sister-in-law and their children to Saudi on Eid Holidays.

Can you please get me the process your brother-in-law undertook to get the visa or send me his tel no. to my mail id

Ibrahim
ibrahimnavali@yahoo.com

Nahed Kadih said...

Hello expactguru
I need to know about the business visa, and whether it can be converted to a work visa as soon as I arrive to Riyadh. (That's what I've been told by the company)
What about international schools in there? I heard that American and British Schools are full and registration at them could be a challenge! That would be a problem to my children.
The important thing I need to know about is iqama or as you named it the smart card. How long it takes to get it from the day I arrive the country. My company said that compounds are full with even full waiting lists, and they asked me if I would like to get allowance. Do you think my family and I could handle living outside the compound.(in case we couldn't find any available housing in compound)

Your reply would be so appreciated

Expatguru said...

Nahed,

I would like to say just one thing. Unless you have a permanent work visa, you will not be able to bring your family and hence all your other questions do not matter at all at this stage. If your sponsor is so confident of converting your business visa into a work visa after your arrival, why doesn't he do it right away? Something seems not okay. About your other queries, please read the same in various topics which I have covered earlier.

Anonymous said...

Dear Guru & Zakaria,

Thanks for the information, this is the reason why this platform is becoming popular.
I don't have words to say thanks for the brotherly support.
May Allah Bless you all.

Regards,

Zeeshan.

Zakaria said...

Zeeshan (Regarding visit visas for Sister and Sister-in-law):

You can bring your SISTER and her kids on visit visa. Ask for 90 days and they will grant stay for 60 days. You could also try to bring your sister's husband but as always there's no guarantee. (I got lucky on that one when I visted in March 2008.)

If your SISTER-IN-LAW is your wife's sister then it is not possible for you to apply for her. There's no harm in trying though. The most they can do is reject only that person from the list on your application.

If your SISTER-IN-LAW is your brother's wife, then just apply for a visit visa for your brother and his family, including wife and kids.

The procedure for applying would be the same as mentioned in this blog titled "Family visit visa" at http://workinginsaudiarabia.blogspot.com/2007/12/family-visit-visa.html

To apply for siblings you would need a birth certificate or passport showing that you are both born of the same parents.

Hope this helps.

Anonymous said...

hi expatguru
i hav 1 query regarding working in sauid on visit visa
if my company is sending me to saudi on visit visa (to avoid the cost factor to them)and telling me to work there for a project for a timespan of 8 months (at every interval they will renew my visit visa), h ow risky isi t to work in saudi on visit visa? normally no country will alloow a person to work on business visa but saudi rules aare more stringent so i am asking. and i also dont want to go on visit visa, b ocs i want to earn good amount of money, not only per diem allowance
thanks in advance
zameer

Expatguru said...

Zameer,

If you plan to work while you are on a visit visa, you should be aware that it is illegal to work. If caught, there will be immediate imprisonment followed by deportation in addition to a very heavy fine. Take care.

Anonymous said...

Expatguru,
First of all many many thanks for the useful website.

I have all the document ready .. i have my degree attested from saudi consulates in my home country but that i did 4 years back .. will it work? & do i have to attest this degree with ministry foriegn affairs in saudi also or no need of it?

Once again many thanks.

I will wait for your answer.
Thanks.

Regards,
Yasir

Expatguru said...

Yasir,

Glad to have been of help. There is no time limit and the attestation you did 4 years ago is still valid. You need not do any further attestations in the kingdom.

a.v.koshy said...

thanks for your post - it's very useful - where should i get my marriage certificate attested?
another thing is i'm going as an english language teacher - if i understand correctly that's the title give me in my iquama - but how do i verify this absolutely - i mean i have a translation but i need to also check if the translation is accurate - my job is given to me by king abdul aziz university - one more thing - before leaving do i need to file and clear all my i.t. returns ? - one last thing - what's the best way to transfwer money fomr there to here and the money i take from here - which is the best way to carry it -i mean as traveller's cheques or what?

Expatguru said...

Koshy,

Obviously you are quite tense and nervous as it is going to be a new experience. Rest assured that things will work out well. We were all the same like you in the beginning. This blog is meant only to help fellow expats. Go through the various topics in this entire blog including reader comments, and you will have a clear picture. Just bring some cash as Saudi Riyals to see you through till you get your first salary. It is always a good idea to file your IT returns. Good luck!

Farooq said...

Thanks a lot for ur very informative post on the family visa issue. I have an issue which I would like to clarify and I hope that you can help me about it. What would be the process of getting the family visa if the wife is of different nationality than the husband?? I mean, which embassy attests the husband's documents and in which country?? Thanks in advance

Expatguru said...

Farooq,

Your educational certificates have to be attested in the country in which you have attained those qualifications while your marriage certificate has to be attested in the country in which you got married. The rest of the procedure is the same.

Saff said...

HI ...keep up your good work greatly appreciated.

Here i have few questions for you...

Is there any work permit which allows a labour to switch jobs as he wish or to do part time jobs in different places?

Also, how about new exit/re-entry rules in KSA?

My brother cancelled his previous job and came back last month. Now he wish to go to KSA again on "free visa". They say "free visa" lets you work in multiple firms as part time or you can switch jobs as you wish. please let me know.

Expatguru said...

Saff,

There is no such work permit which allows anyone to switch jobs! In fact, on the contrary, if anyone is caught working for someone other than his sponsor, he would be immediately sent to prison followed by deportation.

The same applies to the so-called "free visa" (in fact, it really is not "free"). First of all, your brother would have paid a huge amount to "buy" this visa. If you mean "free" as in "freedom", even then the law does not permit him to work as and where he wishes. Of course, there are a lot of labourers working part time, but all of this is illegal. From a legal point of view, if caught, your brother will be asking for trouble for sure.

Mudassar said...

Salam Alikum,
It's indeed great community service your providing here sir; for which I am sincerely grateful & equally proud of you.


I have a question. For family visa; you need to mention the city/country in whose Saudi Embassy you wan't to send the visa.

In my case; my wife is a citizen of a country, she never lived. She carrying passport only; but she was born, brought up, well settled and having permanent residency of a GCC country.

Please can you explain; in this case whether she can get family visa from the country of Permanent Residence or need to go back to the city of nationality (which is very difficult option considering the fact no one is there to help)

We checked from the Saudi Embassy in that GCC country; and they said there is no problem and then just need the NOC from her father (kafeel) and visa from husband in saudi.


What's your view for this problem - can any brother have similar experience or know some details from MOI directives in this regard.


JazakumAllah

Expatguru said...

Mudassar,

Thanks for your comments. If your wife is a permanent resident of another GCC country, I am sure her name would be part of the residence visa of that country. Normally, she would need a passport to go out of her present country to enter the kingdom. However, you have not mentioned which GCC country she is currently a resident of. In case of Bahrain, the citizens of either country can travel back and forth by just producing their national identity cards.

Since you have already checked with the Saudi Embassy of that country, please follow that instruction.

Anonymous said...

Dear Guru:

I work in Madrid in a company, who has another one in Saudi Arabia. We want to get the work permit of three workers, in order to work in our office in Jeddah. The thing, everybody talks about the work visa, but We dont have a clue about the requirements of the work permit. Also, many sites say we have to request the permit at the Ministry of foreign affairs, while others say to the Ministry of Interior. So We are confused... Do you know the answer of this??

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

Your sister company based in Saudi Arabia, first need to get itself registered with the Chamber of Commerce in Jeddah ( which I presume would already have been done ). There needs to be a Saudi sponsor, so he is the one who has to move things to get your visa. You cannot do this yourself. Get in touch with him. Getting a work visa is not easy. The Saudi has to fill in forms in Arabic. He needs to have a "quota" of visas. Explaining the procedure in this blog would be too laborious and extensive, so I suggest that you first get in touch with your local sponsor for the same.

Anonymous said...

WHAT I NEED TO DO IF I WANT TO FIND OUT WEATHER I WILL BE ABLE TO BRING MY FAMILY ON MY CURRENT STATUS. IS THERE ANY DEPARTMENT WHERE I CAN TAKE MY DOCUMENTS TO FIND OUT IF I WIL BE ABLE TO BRING MY FUTURE WIFE ON THESE OR NOT. IF YES THEN I WILL PLAN MY MARRY IN MY HOME COUNTRY OTHERWISE WILL LOOK FOR SOMEONE LOCALLY.
PLEASE ADVICE THANKS

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

It is impossible to list out all the job titles which are not eligible to sponsor their families. Also, this list keeps changing frequently. Hence, I would advise you to contact some professional agent who would be able to help you. As a thumb rule, if your visa profession is any non-supervisory category, eg., labor, mason, carpenter, etc., you cannot bring your family.

Anonymous said...

i am working in KSA as a computer programmer. i have BSC computer sciece degree certificate from Kerala university. my current profession is mubarmij aasib ali (computer programmer)before it was mechanic and hotel supplier. is my current profession is able to bring my family here. somebody informe me it will take around 15000 SR . may i know how much the exact cost for issuing family visa

Thaks
Shamsudeen

Expatguru said...

Shamsudeen,

You are eligible to bring your family provided your degree certificates are attested by the Saudi Embassy in India. It certainly will not cost you SR15000to bring your family. Please contact a professional agent who will guide you with the required forms. Before that, make sure your certificates are attested.

Faisal said...

Dear Expatguru,
I have a simple question. I have permanent residence. My wife is already added to my iqama. I got a son 2 months back. He was born in Pakistan. I applied family visa for him in Saudi embassy in Islamabad. They issued visa (its not visit - it is visa with my iqama). Vailidity written on it is 1 month. My son reached Saudia on 5 september. What is the maximum time limit to add him to my iqama?
Thanks.

Expatguru said...

Faisal,

Your son must leave Pakistan within one month from the date of stamping the visa. Within 3 months of arrival in the kingdom, you must apply for his iqama.

Faisal said...

Thank you very much. I really appreciate your efforts regarding expatriate problems!!

Anonymous said...

Thank you sir for the information it really answered the questions i have in mind. It was detailed and easy to understand. God bless u keep it up.

Anonymous said...

Dear Expatguru,

i beleive you are providing usefull information for expatriates,
i have a problem if possible can you tlel me a solution,

i am married to two girls, one is srilankan and having 3 kids, other is jordanian(arab) new wife. i tried to get residence visa for both but i could get only for my 1st wife n kids, i brought my 2nd wife on visit visa. now she is back to srilanka and with my mom, i want to brign her back on residence visa..but no one i found to guide me to tell how i should proceed, coz its a special case and even in the visa office they told they dont have such a procedure to give visa for another wife.

can you help me to find out how i can procede on this? my iqama title is electronic technician, the same time i am a engineeering degree holder. i hav all relevent documents on hand.

i welcome your reply on my mail too.

thanks

regards

razeen
mbarazeen@yahoo.com

ahamed said...

Dear

Expatguru,
Assalamu alaikum w,w,

i am razeen,an engineer residing in dammam, i find you are answerign in excellent way, i am seeking to find out about some procedure to bring my second wife to saudi arabia.

when i tried for visa for both wifes, it was refused to provide to two wifes, so i had to chose my 1st wife who is having kids, but my 2nd new wife she only could visit me on visit visa, she again went back to her country jordan, curently she is with my mother in srilanka, i want to get her back to saudi on residence visa.

i couldnt find any one to guide me/ tell the procedure if any to bring her on residence visa, at the visa office they told there is no such procedure, but i know many expetriates they have brought their 2nd wife on residence visa.

can you help me adwising on this? if you knwo any person who can help me in this plz let me know i can talk to him.

i appriciate if you can reply to me via mail too.

thanks
regards

razeen
mbarazeen@yahoo.com

Expatguru said...

Razeen,

It appears that you have just inquired verbally in the visa office. I suggest that you prepare the documents and submit it to them, just as you did for your first wife. There are expatriates who have brought their second wives into the kingdom and certainly yours is not the first of its kind.

ahamed said...

dear expatguru,

thanks for your prompt answer,

the reason why i hapened to bring my 2nd wife on visit visa is i couldnt get residence visa by regular procedure. i applied 1st time with my 1st wife n kids as single application, then again after 3months as different application, PR manager from my company who is a saudi national also assissted in this, but it was not approved even by the manager of visa office, that time only i went for visit visa...

as you said i hav been two times at the counter with all documents and failed. thats why i am seeking some help. some one told me to get a letter from foriegn ministry in riyadh and try, but still i am not sure whetehr it will work or not..

if i can meet or contact any one who already has his both wifes on residence visa it may be helpfull..

still i couldnt catch him...if any one can help ijn this..?

thanks
razeen

Expatguru said...

Razeen,

I am publishing your query here in the hope that someone with a similar experience would come forward with a suggestion. I am still perplexed as to why your application was rejected. I wish you had asked them the reason for the same. Anyway, the moment I get some reliable information on this, I would definitely write a post about it. For the moment, I welcome any of the readers with similar experience to help you out.

ahamed said...

expactguru,

thanks for your reply and your publishing to bring some one who has the same experience.

it was simply told by the manager to me that you are not allowed to bring your second wife..an assistance manager told me since i questioned him then whats the way to bring my second wife, to know about any other procedure..he answered you bring her by sending your 1st wife back..you knwo its saudi arabia and who can raise such a voice of human rights.. so i just returned from his office. but one guy who was on the counter told me it may be possible to get the visa by a letter from foreign ministry,

so thats all the story about, thanks.

razeen

Anonymous said...

Great blog Sir, thanks for your efforts.

In his upcoming vacation, I am going to marry with a Saudi expat who has been working for more than 2 years in Riyadh. His iqama is engineer. As other couple wish, we do not want to be separated for long time due to his job there. Would you please advise how long shall be taken for the issuance of permanent family visa? Fyi, me and my future husband, we are from different nationality, both muslims. Where shall be the best place for us for registering our marriage certificate? His country or mine? Also, can I take my children from my previous marriage living with us in Saudi? I have my own business and have some savings. I own a property in Makkah as well, will this do any help?

Thank you very much in advance for your kind help.

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

First of all please accept my congratulations to you on your marriage. It does not matter where your marriage is registered, but if it is not in Saudi Arabia, it involves the additional process of getting it translated in Arabic and attested by the Saudi Embassy in the country where the marriage took place.

Of course you take your children but just make sure that all of them have individual passports. It would be helpful if you got the name of the kids' father changed to your husband's name before submitting your papers for visa processing.

And finally, it would normally take about 45 days, provided there are no intervening Hajj or Ramadan holidays inbetween. Good luck!

Anonymous said...

Hi,
I am just leaving to KSA next month, my wife will join me latter. Please tell me can I sponsors my parents to visit me and during their visit, can they go to perform umrahh.
secondly, Some of my close relatives live in UK, I have already visited them in early 2008. we are planning to visit them again in the next month. Please tell me can we get Single/Multiple entries family visit visa from UK embassy in KSA.
Regards.
Imran.

Expatguru said...

Imran,

You have not mentioned whether this is the first time you are visiting the kingdom. If so, you have to wait for your iqama to be issued before you can sponsor your family. If you already have an iqama, you can straightaway sponsor your parents. See the link below for the procedure:

http://workinginsaudiarabia.blogspot.com/2007/12/family-visit-visa.html

Normally, people on visit visa are officially prohibited from performing Umrah. But I have seen cases where people do perform Umrah without any problems, as long as they carry their passports. Though this is officially not allowed, the authorities, it appears, are not very strict in implementing this rule.

You have to contact the UK Embassy in Riyadh for their procedures and I am not aware of the same.

Anonymous said...

Dear Guru,
I believe you are 'Guru". you know are you helping people to sort out their problems. its really wonderful.

Regarding you reply, yes this is the first time i am moving to KSA for a job. I am going to Buraydah in Al-Qaseem. I have got a visa for Computer Engineer, basically i am an ERP specilist/consultant.
as I told you earlier my wife will join me after few months, I am a bit worried about here safty and security as she would be alone at home.
Its a serious issue, i am discussing you this becuase, it might be useful for others as well. please explain in detail how I can ensure here security while she will be alone at home.
we are really concerned about this issue. I have come to know about several incidents regading the women from outside in the KSA.
And please also explain the my employer is said he will not paying for any exp paid by me for the visa process and first air ticket from Lahore to Raydah. but verbaly he is agreed to pay the ticket and regarding for visa for my wife, it cast aroung 2000 SR, who will have to pay for this. I think if a compay sponsors me then its their responsibility for pay for all of that and what about the driving license, as company will provide me a car.

Do you have any idea about the salry structure, they offered be 5500+3 salaries for housing and a company mainteined car.

please also tell me the yearly benifits or end of service award, what is this how it calculates.


Regards
Imran-Pakistan.

Expatguru said...

Imran,

I would advise you to go through my complete blog plus all the readers' comments. This would solve most of your doubts. Just click on the dropdown menu in the calendar on the right hand side and you will find the topics I have written for that particular month.

You must remember that it takes atleast 3 months to settle down. Also, it is common for employers to issue an iqama only after probation period. You also need time to save money otherwise it becomes difficult to support the family. I would advise you not to bring your family for atleast 4 to 5 months after you arrive here, because you need that time to save, settle down in a decent house and buy a few things in the house.

Your second question is ambigious. It all depends on the contract you have signed. If you are on full family status, then it is the sponsor's responsibility to bear all the costs for you as well as your family. If you are on single status, he has to bear the ticket cost for first arrival, final exit, to and fro vacation tickets plus all visa / iqama charges. If your sponsor is unwilling, you better look for another job as it is not worth it.

Nowadays, a decent 2 bedroom house costs around SR20000/year (unfurnished). It may be a couple of thousands more or less, but on an average this is the figure. So, with your HRA you may just be able to manage. Remember, rents are skyrocketing every year, so you will end up paying from your savings, so be careful and negotiate well. Regarding the security for your wife, it depends on the location of your house and your neighbours and a host of other things. I will write a separate post on End of Service benefits. Dont know when I will do it, as I am a bit busy with my work these days. Good luck!

Rafeeq said...

Dear Guru,

Ur great, u have good helping mentalitty.. i say thanx again to u.

I am come to saudi befor 1 months, my iqqama proffession is Fanne deccor (Deccoration Technition), It is enough for processing family visa, but i have no graduation, what i can do, i have only PDC. And also some computer cources from private institutions. any chance to get family visa for me. Degree certificate is must to them. more private diploma certificate now available in kerela, but it is not suitable for Saudi attestation. It's can done only Nottary attestation. Kinly give clear cut information regarding this.

regards,

Rafeeq

Anonymous said...

Hi grur, thanx for your replies. I will ready this blog in detail on very page. its informative for all of us who are trying to move or moved to SKA.
Dear, is there any property guide from where I can find information regarding houses in buraydah city.
Regards,
Imran.

Expatguru said...

Rafeeq,

I have no idea about private diploma attestations. Please contact a professional agent for this. Sorry I am unable to guide you on this.

Fahad said...

Aslamuelekum brother,
thank u very much for all ur effort in helping u dont know may Allah give u the best n hereafter.
guru i want to ask u that. i am working as a computer engineer in company with iqama having fanni abniya i am not married but i want to bring my mother n my 3 sister 1 bother who is very young 11 years old. Can i bring them here??
please help me in this case.
thanks

Expatguru said...

Fahad, I checked with a few Saudi friends. They are unable to give the translation of "Fanni Abniya". Are you sure that it is the correct pronounciation? Anyway, please get it translated from someone. If it is a non-supervisory category (like labor, carpenter, painter, mason, etc), you will not be able to sponsor anyone, so the best way is to get your profession changed.

Expatguru said...

Imran,

There isn't any property guide, to my knowledge. Usually expats get to know of houses by word of mouth only.

Fahad said...

Fanni Abniya means "Construction Technician" in English i have permenet residence visa for my Mother 3 Sisters n 1 younger brother. please help me guru!!

Expatguru said...

Fahad,

You are entitled to bring your family under this category. However, the definition of "family" in immigration context means only the spouse and children. Hence, you cannot bring your mother, sisters and brother on a permanent visa. They can be brought only on a visit visa. See my separate post on Family Visit Visa in this link for the procedure

http://workinginsaudiarabia.blogspot.com/2007/12/family-visit-visa.html

Anonymous said...

Hi guru,
Thankz a lot in advance for this informativ blog.
I got family visa from an agent.They have given me an yellow paper. Now i would like know is there is any way to check whether the visa is genuine or not. can i check it from internet. I would like to do this before i send it to my country.
waiting for ur reponse

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

Just read my post in the link below

http://workinginsaudiarabia.blogspot.com/2007/12/family-visit-visa.html

Click on the same link of Ministry of Foreign Affairs and enter the details. You will get the same yellow slip on your screen.

Anonymous said...

thankz for ur quick respons.
BUt the link of mofa that u specified does not work.
http://visa.mofa.gov.sa/SrhVisa.asp.
Is there any other way to know the genuinness of the visa. pls help me

Expatguru said...

You have typed the wrong link. Go to
http://visa.mofa.gov.sa/eDefault.asp

Bilal said...

Hi Expat Guru.

My question is regarding the attestation of the degree certificate.

Im indian and work here in Jeddah however all my degrees are from the UK. From the research i have done online it seems to me that i have to send all my degree certificated back to the UK , get them translated and attested there by the Saudi Counsulate and get them sent back here.

Is this correct.

Also Just to confirm. My Marrige certificate has to be translated in India into arabic and the translated copy has to be stamped by the Royal Embassy in India and then sent here to be attached to the rest of the paper work ?

Is this correct as well?

Appreciate any help on this matter.

Oh and may i say .. this is the only site i could find which reallly helped me . Thanks and appreciate all your help.

Anonymous said...

Hi guru,
I got my passport stamped by the Saudi Embassy Islamabad. How can I check about about the genuinness of my visa as I have processed this thru an agent. Its just for my own satisfaction. Please reply.
Regards,

Imran.

Expatguru said...

Bilal,

Thanks for your comments. You have yourself answered your queries and your understanding is right.

Expatguru said...

Imran,

I presume this is the first time you are visiting Saudi on this visa. It is impossible to check its genuineness online. You just have to trust your agent.

muhammad said...

hi expat guru.


I am an electrical engineer by profession I have already brought my wife here on a permanent visa,
now i want to bring my parents and my lil brother who is only 13 years old and is dependent on my parents, can i bring all of them on permanent visa (or should i apply for a visit visa for my brother?)if yes then do i still need all the documents to be attached to the visa application (except the marriage certificate ofcourse).
please help me out im really worried, and when exactly will they stop considering applications other than hajj.

Expatguru said...

Muhammad,

You cannot sponsor anyone on a permanent visa other than your spouse and kids. All others have to come only on a visit visa.

Anonymous said...

Hi,
Thanking You for your valuable comments. I am undergoing the similar situation. I got the offer at a senior position with good money but visa is labour. Company is saying that only this visa is available right now and also assuring that the status will be changed within no time as soon as i will be in Saudi.
Kindly let me know should i go for it. The situation is catchy as they may cancel my appointment and i already resigned from my current job and due to be relieved in next 2 weeks.
Kindly advise as i think accomodation is also linked with the visa status.

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

Your situation is indeed bad. Coming here on a labor visa has its own drawbacks. You cannot bring your family on either visit visa or permanent visa. You cannot go to neighbouring countries like Bahrain, UAE, etc., even on weekend visits. Converting a labor visa into some other professional visa is no easy task. It all depends on the mood swings of your sponsor and to a great extent your luck. No doubt, you have resigned your present job, but if possible try to stay put there or in some other company. It is any day better than coming here on a labor visa and getting stuck with that tag. Good luck!

Anonymous said...

Hi guru,

I am trying to check the genuineness of my family visa.
you aksed me to go thru
http://www.mofa.gov.sa/Detail.asp
But this site is also not working.
Is there any other way to know it.

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

Please try this link

http://visa.mofa.gov.sa/eDefault.asp

I have verified that it works. If it doesn't, try

http://visa.mofa.gov.sa , choose 'English' from the page, and then search for any possible links. I have not gone through this page in detail but do give it a try. But I am sure that the first link will work.

ASK said...

Hello Guru,

Around 2 weeks ago, i applied for the permanent family visa and luckily i got it.
In that visa, Islamabad is written in “arrived from” Colum. (Exactly as I requested)
But now I want to change “arrived from” to Oslo, instead Islamabad?
Actually, currently my family is in Norway and they suppose to go Pakistan, for few months. But Due to some reasons they cancelled their program. And now want to come directly to Saudi Arabia.
Please guide me!

ASK!

Expatguru said...

ASK,

Once the visa is issued, it hardly matters where from your family arrives. Infact, I have a personal experience of exactly the same situation as yours and did not face any problem.

ASK said...

Dear Guru,

Thanks for your quick reply.

Do u mean that i donot need to go for any change in the issued visa? Same visa can be stamped from norway?

ASK!

Expatguru said...

Yes AKS. I had the same experience. My visitor's visa was stamped in one place, whereas he came from another country. As long as the visa is valid and you have an proper return air ticket, there is no need for any change.

ASK said...

Dear Guru,

My case is slightly different then your case.

Actually my family visa is still not stamped.

It suppose to be stamp from pakistan. Bcause islamabd is mentioned in port of entry.

But now i want to send the same visa to norway for stamping.

Is it possible?

I am sorry for asking too many questions.I hope you can understand our situation.

ASK

Expatguru said...

ASK,

Your original query said that you "got it". I assumed that you already got the visa stamped. Now that you say that the family visa is still not stamped, I assume that you have got only the yellow slip. I will strongly urge you to make a fresh application and change the port of departure to Oslo.

Anonymous said...

hey guru,

thanks for the great info. I had a question...I would like to submit the visa application for family in the coming week. do you think i would be able to get them here by Nov 27th as i have a flight booking for them.

the reason is becuase my wife's parents are coming for hajj and it would be good if she can ocme with them. we would like to do hajj and I would like for her to travel with a mahram of hers. do you think the passport office can grant me the visa in due time if i tell them the situation??? Is there any faster procedure? do you think they will make it in time? in canada, they can get the visa in one week since most everything is done (medical, etc...).... please help!

-fahd

Expatguru said...

Fahd,

This is a million-riyal question. It is impossible to predict the duration taken by the passport office to clear the file. You should consider yourself extremely lucky if it is processed before 27th November.

ASK! said...

Hello,

My question is:

How long the yellow slip (Parment Family Visa) is valid?

Someone was saying me that it is valid for 1 year. Any time Withing this year you can sumbit to embassy for stamping.

Is it true?

Expatguru said...

The fact is that there is no specified expiry date for the yellow slip. However, this does not mean that you can your own time to start processing the papers. It should be done as soon as possible. Remember, the yellow slip is only a permission for you to process the visa, it is not visa itself (which will be stamped on the passport).

Anonymous said...

Salam dear sir i have two questions
1- i had mailed my Associate degree to Cultural mission in Washington and got it attested, do i need any further atestation of my degree or is this enough, some one told me that i need it to get it attest with ministry of foriegn affairs in saudia again, is this correct.
2- is Bacholers degree is must after your good profession on iqama or one can also use his Associate degree or 3 month certificate.

thanks alot

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

You must get it attested also by the Saudi Embassy in Washington. I am not aware if a 3-month certificate would be honored by the Embassy, but you can try your luck.

Sanjay Kumar Thakur said...

Hi Guru,
You are really guru and great help for expats like me.
I seek following clarification:
(1) I am selected to work as market risk manager at an investment bank at riyadh.As i delayed in joining,I am now told that the quota for permanent visa is over and i may have to go on business/visit visa which will be valid for 3 months.I seek your view whether its right to go on such visa or not.
(2) I have been told that once the new yr start in jan.09, they will start the process of getting permanent visa.Can I trust such promise?
(3) I have read your blog for family visa.I understand that Once i become permanent work visa holder, i can call my wife and daughter here following the procedure explained in your blog.However, I dont know THE EXACT PROCESS-how to get my certificates getting attested by MHRD and/or MEA,New Delhi when I am out(in Saudi).At present I am in Mumbai.Kindly let me know your view on it.Your kind help is highly solicited.
best regards,
Sanjay
sanjay.thakur.iitb@gmail.com

Expatguru said...

Sanjay,

Glad to know that you found my blog useful.

Since you are still in Mumbai, I suggest you get your certificates attested while you are still there. It becomes extremely difficult to do the same once you reach Saudi. The procedure for the same has been mentioned elsewhere in this blog. Please see the archives by clicking on a particular month from the calendar on the right hand side of this blog. Then choose the relevant topic which I have written in that month. You need to go through the entire blog to fully understand the system.

I will strongly advise you against coming here on a business visa, because it would be extremely difficult to convert that into a family visa. Secondly, having tasted blood, no sponsor would like to take the extra pain once the employee is already in the kingdom.

Anonymous said...

Hi Expatguru
I have a challenge in that I have been offered a 2 year contract in Riyahd(I am a 43yr mom with two kids). My husband can not join me for this - how do I secure a work visa for myself and take my kids with?

Expatguru said...

Ma'am,

Saudi Arabia is not the place for you. Your life will be miserable here without a male companion, as you would need your husband's presence for almost everything. In short, virtualy even for buying a pin all by yourself.

Anonymous said...

THANKS FOR YOU REPLY REGARDING ATTESTATION OF ASSOCIATE DEGREE, KINDLY ADVICE ME THE PROCEDURE OF GETTING MY ASSOCIATE DEGREE WHICH IS ALREADY ATTESTED WITH CULTURAL MISSION WASHINGTON, NOW WHATS THE PROCEDURE OF GETTING IT ATTEST WITH SAUDI EMBASSY IN WASHINGTON? WILL IT BE REALLY NECCESARY AS IAM CURRENTLY RESIDING IN KSA AND IS THERE ANY DEPARTMENT WHERE I CAN DO THIS LOCALLY.

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

I do not know the procedures to be followed in the US. See if you can hire an agent for this.

Tasin said...

ExpatGuru, I followed your instructions to the T and believe me I was handed yellow slip in seconds. My wife has arrived here Allhamdolillah. Thanks a ton. Almighty bless you.ameen.
I have a question. I want my wife's iqama to be made immediately because we want to go on Hajj. But my Office's broker is on leave. Can you guide me on that. I am an Indian and do not know Arabic.
Thanks in advance.

Expatguru said...

Tasin,

Glad to know that my blog has been of help to you in your family reunion. You made my day!

I really doubt whether the Passport Office will entertain your request for addition of your wife's name in your iqama during Haj season. You definitely need your office's Government Relations Officer, because he has to sign and put your company's rubber stamp on the form. Also, to get it done superfast, he needs to have enough 'Wasta'. Good luck!

Siraj said...

Very thanks for the informative articles. I appreciate for the efforts made by you.

I am working as a Graphic Designer in a reputed signage company. Recently I got married and started the family visa process.

I am holding a BCA (Bachelor of Computer Application) Degree, is it possible to change my profession to "Graphic Designer" from "Aamil Aaidi" (General Labour)? I don’t have any technical certificate.

Whether the Graphic Designer is eligible for family visa or not? If not, then please suggest some best suitable profession for me. Or shall I apply for System Admin, Programmer or any other IT related profession to match my Degree?

I am eagerly waiting for your reply.

Expatguru said...

Siraj,

I strongly advise you to apply for a category which is closely related to IT industry. Whichever profession you choose (among the available categories), make sure that it is a supervisory category. Only then will you be able to bring your family.

I hope you are also making arrangements for attestation of your degree certificate and your marriage certificate. Good luck!

Ram said...

Sanjay,

I fully endorse viewpoint of expat guru, i have undergone this ordeal myself, coming on a visit visa and later not able to get resident visa. frustrated and now back in India. If the employer is commited he should give you employment visa. Normaly in sales & marketing they would take you on visit visa and judge your performance.

Above all, its illegal work on visit visa.
Later your employer might say thay they dont quote for marketing manager& apply you a labour visa. if that happens then you cannot bring your family

Please read all the blogs from expat guru, its a good guide

Guru, now my company says that they will buy labour visa through some kafeel and later on transferit to my sponsor, and then i have to change the status in order to bring my family.. I have firmly said no to this.. I'd be Happy in India than going to Saudi Like this & get in problems

Regards

Siraj said...

Thank you Guruji...!
Yes, the attestation part is finished.
My Iqama renewal is in progress, Meanwhile I would like to add my spouse name in my Passport (I hope it is essential), and arrange all the documents.
"Among the AVAILABLE CATEGORIES" please clarify it. Is it with respect to my company or my degree? My company is dealing in signage, fine arts, portrait frames etc. So, is it possible to request for "System Admin.", "System Eng." or "Programmer"
Further, in my compnay out of 70, there are 3-4 Saudi employees. Will it becomes a hindrance in change of my profession?
Thanks once again,
sirajbca(at)gmail(dot)com

vickkanov said...

Hi Expat guru,

I'm now processing my permanent visa for my wife who stay in Indonesia. In case, the permanent visa is granted to my wife early of December and she comes to visit me in Jeddah on Dec 20 until Jan 4, 2009. Is it possible for her to get re-entry exit stamp within that period? She is working in Jakarta and need to return back after the visiting. I heard that family who already have permanent visa are required to proceed exit stamp if they want to exit the kingdom and it will take time for this process.
Really need your advise for this matter. Thank you.

Expatguru said...

Ram,

Thanks for your comments. You have taken a very correct decision in refusing the offer.

Expatguru said...

Siraj,

Every company is allotted a certain number of visas under certain categories applied by the company. Usually by the end of the Hijri year, these companies exhaust all available visas. So, whatever visa is still available with the company is what you end up with. This was what I meant by "among the available categories". First check with your sponsor how many visas he has and the categories.

Please note that even if your company wants to change your profession into something reserved for Saudis, the Passport Office would not allow the same. Infact, in the first instance your company would not be having such visas.

Expatguru said...
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Expatguru said...

Vickkanov,

Stamping of the exit/reentry visa takes less than 30 minutes. What is time consuming is the addition of your wife's name in your iqama which usually takes 3 weeks. If your sponsor does not have enough wasta to get this done by that time, it is safe to go in for a visit visa, because you hardly have 10 working days between 20th December to 4th January.

Anonymous said...

In the US, university degrees must be attested by the Saudi Cultural Mission and NOT the Saudi Embassy.

Check here: http://saudiembassy.net/Travel/DocReg.asp

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

Thanks for the information about certificate attestation in the US.

rohit said...

My visa category is quality controller.Will this visa category allow me to sponser my wife on permenent family visa.

Expatguru said...

Rohit,

You are eligible to bring your wife.

Anonymous said...

Hi Expat Guru,
I find your posts to be very informative.I appreciate your wonderful work.

I had already got my education certificates attested thro' HRD,MoEA and Saudi embassy.
Regarding my marriage certificate and child's brith certificate it is not clear what are the attestations needed like MEA or only saudi embassy only is sufficient. Pls. help me as I am not able to understand from your previous advice on the blog.

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

The marriage and birth certificates need to be first attested by a Notary Public which will be counter-attested by the Saudi Embassy. I would advise you to give your original certificates to a professional agent who will do all the running around for a fee.

Anonymous said...

Expat Guru,

Thank you so much for all this useful information.

My husband is getting an offer to work in Saudi and we are very new to this and find the process abit confusing some. We are trying to learn more and hope you can help us with our situation.

My husband holds an MBA and is Lebanese. I on the other hand hold Jordanian and American passports. Our little son has both Lebanese and American passports. From what I understood, my husband has to go to Saudi first then get us visas to join him. In general, how long does the process take? a few weeks? Couple of months? I got my education in the US and my family lives there. Do you suggest that we apply using my American passport or Jordanian one? Which one is easier? If I want to work in Saudi and get a better salary as an American, should we only use the American passports? Can you give me any other advice that we are still in the very beginning?

Thank you so much and I hope to hear from you soon.

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

Thanks for your comments. Yes, you are right. Your husband has to first come to the kingdom and only then can you and your kid can join him. Usually employers are hesitant to submit their employees' passports for family visa processing until the probation period is over. The process of getting a family visa from the date of submission is usually around 3 weeks, provided it is not Ramadan or Haj seasons.

I would strongly advise you and your son to use your American passports. It would fetch you a western-status salary, which is much higher than an Eastern one or an Arabic salary. Unless you are a doctor or a nurse, you would not be able to work in any other profession, so please note this. I would also advise you to go through all the topics I have covered in this entire blog, so that you have a clear picture. Click on the calendar on the right hand side of this page and choose a topic below, which I have written on a particular month. Good luck!

Anonymous said...

Dear Expat Guru,

Thanks for your prompt reply. So it usually takes 3 weeks to get a family visa after submitting the application. Like I said I just started learning about this so please bear with me. From what I understood, it will take my husband 1 to 2 months to get an Ikama, is that correct?

Also, Im not exactly sure I understood what you said here: "Unless you are a doctor or a nurse, you would not be able to work in any other profession, so please note this". Are you saying women can only work as doctors and nurses, or is that only related to American women. I konw of some women who work as teachers in Saudi, but they are not American. I would really appreciate it if you clarify this.

I sure will read your other blogs as they are the clearest. Thank you and looking forward to recieve your answers.

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

By oversight I had missed the teaching profession. Indeed, expat women CAN work as teachers too. But that is all about it. You cannot find an expat woman as an architect or an accountant or a journalist in this country.

Usually the probation period is 3 months and employers would like to 'test' their employees before proceeding with their family visa requests. However, there is no such rule and it purely depends on the sponsor, so one can really not generalize. Also, it takes about three to four months for the employee to settle down, get a good accommodation, car, etc., before he can bring his family here, so you should expect to be here between three to four months after your husband has landed here.

The iqama is usually issued in about three weeks from the date of submission.

അബ്ദുല്‍ അസീസ് വേങ്ങര said...

thanks
nandri

Anonymous said...

Expat Guru,

Thanks for clarifying the point about teaching. I was going to get depressed if I also cant teach! I have a couple more questions. Right now we are not residing in the US but since it looks like it will take us a few months till we join my husband, myself and my son will go back to stay with my family till things are finalized. Is it easy to go through the process from the US? Can I do the medical exams wherever I live in the US (my family lives on the west coast)? Are the medical exams expensive? Do you think it will be better to spend this waiting period in Lebanon for example where my in laws live? Would it be easier for me to finish the visa process in Lebanon though I hold an American passport? And finally, what part of the waiting period is the most crucial, the last few weeks?

Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks a lot.

Sue said...

Hey Expatguru,

This is a great blog! Is it possible to visit my husband on a visit visa while I am waiting for my family visa to be issued? I am a communications major and would like to find a job there. Should I get my degree attested as well? Is there a process I have to go through (similar to what my husband did to get a visa or residency) in order for me to work in KSA? I want to go there first and then find a job. In case I do, can I get the job to be my sponsor?

Thanks a bunch!

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

It does not matter where you stay when your husband is here, but you must ensure that you do give your medical examination only in the US. You MUST process the visa in the US, if you are going to come here on an US passport. I would strongly advise you not to reveal or even use your Lebanese passport. An American passport has its own advantages.

Also, I would advise you to get your degree / diploma certificate attested in the country where you did your graduation (i.e., either Lebanon or in the US). This would help you get a job here easily. I understand your anxiety, but do read my entire blog and most of your doubts would get cleared.

Expatguru said...

Sue,

Thanks for your comments. I would strongly advise you not to apply for a visit visa when your family visa is being processed. Please do get your degree certificate attested by the Saudi Embassy in your home country right away. The only jobs open for expatriate women are as teachers, doctors and nurses. When you are in the kingdom under your husband's sponsorship. you cannot take sponsorship from your employer or anyone else.

Anonymous said...

I have my US degree attested with Saudi Cultural Mission, Now do i have to take it to the Ministry of F.Affairs in Kingdom to verify it? There are so much confussions, some say it is not valid until you get it stamped with MOFA.i would like to know what is the purpose behind all these hundred attestations!!! someone told me that i need to first translate it in arabic and then make it atteste with local chamber of commerce then take it to MOFA, can yuo kindly advice me any agent who could all this for me, iam new in the kingdom and dont know much people here and language is the biggest barrior for me.
thanks

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

Just follow the procedure mentioned here. There are so many agents in the kingdom who do this service. Find out from any of your friends who have brought their families for guidance and they should be able to guide you to any one of the reliable agents.

Anonymous said...

Dear Expat Guru,
This blog is definitely a great help for anyone to know the procedures in Saudi Arabia. I am currently working in Oman and planning to relocate to Saudi. Myself and family is having the residency in Oman. My 2nd baby was born in Oman hence the birth certificate is used by Ministry of Health Oman. We will be going to India next month and do the paper works required for Saudi and planning to return ASAP to avoid my kids schooling. As per the post I learnt that apart from the marriage certificate you need to get kids birth certificate attested. In case of 2nd baby born in Oman (Passport issued by Indian Embassy Oman), do I need to get it attested by Indian embassy in Oman. Thanks in advance for your inputs

Anonymous said...

Dear Guru, In your blog you mentioned that after receipt of yellow slip again certificates need to be submitted to saudi counsalate back in India. In this case can any clearing agent o this job or will my family need to be appear in person.

I am currently in Oman and going to India only next month. Is it possible to do the attestations for work permit and family residency etc in Saudi Counslate done by a clearing agent even before I exit from Oman?

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

I assume that both the above queries are by the same person. Before you leave Oman, please get a "Certificate of Entry of Birth" from the Indian Embassy in Oman. Please see this link

http://workinginsaudiarabia.blogspot.com/2008/11/child-birth-in-saudi-arabia-2.html

Yes, you can get the above done through an agent, but only after you arrive in the kingdom. You need an iqama (residence permit) issued to you before you can bring your family. Typically, this would take about 3 months from the date you land in the kingdom. It is better to put your kid in some private tuitions so that there is no break in education.

Anonymous said...

I'm working in Saudi Binladen Group as Civil Engineer. The Profession on my Iqama states "Fanni Ibniya" (Building Technician)and into brackets "Maraqib Ibniya" meaning the same.

Would it be possible to obtain permanent family visa (Isteqdam) on above profession?

regards,
ASH

Expatguru said...

ASH,

Yes, you are entitled to bring your family.

Anonymous said...

hi m from dubai want to ask a question
we r pakistani my mother is living in ajman with me on residence visa now she is planing to move to saudi arabia where my elder brother lives with his family.we want to cancel her UAE residence visa n get a residence visa of KSA .What procedure we should follow.
regards
Rashid

Expatguru said...

Rashid,

The definition of the word "family" in immigration circles means only spouse and children. It does not include parents, brother or sister. Hence, your mother will never get a permanent residence permit. She can, of course, come on a visit visa.

Anonymous said...

dear guru in uae also the dont give permenent resident visa but a year visa which get renew after every year and this is on humantairy basis. is it not possible in KSA

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

Unfortunately, there is no such system here. What I suggest is that she can come on a visit visa. If she gets a 3-month visit visa, it can be extended twice, each for a 3-month duration, which itself makes it 9 months, isn't it? Atleast something is better than nothing.

Anonymous said...

Dear Sir,

I have been recruited by a Saudi company for the post of Programmer. Now they say that they will going to endorsement in my passport with the designation "Equipment Fitting TEchnician" also they have assured that they will provide permanent family status once I reach there. For you kind information I am a MCA degree holder and already it has been attested by the HRD and saudi embassy. Will I going to have any problem in gettting my family status. Also they told me that I will get the designation of Programmer in the Iqama. is it possible to have one designation in Visa and another in Iqama.

Thanks

Abdul

Anonymous said...

Dear Guru,

I need to get on of my original certificate from ITI.While I contact them they told me I shuld come there or send a letter thru Indian embassy.tht letter i shuld send my self or by the company with the letter head and stamp??pls let me know....

Anonymous said...

Dear Guru thanks a lot for ur kind reply i have one more question please guide me if after 2nd extention my mother will take an exit then after how much time she can again get a visit visa for KSA.

Expatguru said...

Abdul,

The job title of "technician" in your iqama is certainly eligible to bring his family. It is impossible to have one job title in the visa and another in your iqama. You may probably be working as a programer but since you are an MCA degree holder, I would advise you not to settle for a technician visa and even though "at the moment" you can bring your family under this category, God knows when the rules will change, so do not be desparate and rush into this job. You are qualified and the world is full of opportunities. The final decision is yours, but I have just mentioned the facts here.

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

The letter has nothing to do with your company. Take a photocopy of your passport with the latest Saudi exit/reentry visa page and make your letter attested by the Indian Embassy. This is adequate.

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

After your mother goes on exit, you can apply the very next day for a fresh visit visa for her. There is no time limit and each application is considered independently.

Farooque Ahmed said...

Dear Expatguru,

Thank you very much for such a comprehensive guideline for resident family visa process.

I would like to know whether I need the arabic translation of the degree certificate and marriage certificate as well to be attested by the Ministry of External Affairs of India and Saudi Embassy in India.

Please respond.

Regards
Farooque

Expatguru said...

Farooque,

The External Affairs Ministry has nothing to do with your marital status. They are involved only in the attestation of the degree certificate.

Anonymous said...

Dear expat guru,

I am an expat working in Saudi Arabia. I have an iqama. Currently we are processing the visa for my wife and son. The embassy called to confirm my wife's religion. We filled in my wife's religion as muslim and my religion as christian. Could her visa be denied for this reason.

Thanks,
Bert

Expatguru said...

Bert,

Certainly the visa would not be denied. The call came probably to confirm your wife's religion because it was different from yours.

Anonymous said...

Dear Sir,

I have been issued a visa of "فني تركيب تمديدات صحية" If I am not mistaken i think it means
"Sewage pipeline installation technician or professional"
But I am a MCA degree holder with already required attestation made.
Will I be able to get family status with this designation in my visa. please advice me. I am leaving to saudi very shortly.

Have I understood the arabic designation correctly as I said above?

Thanks
Muhammed......

Expatguru said...

Muhammed,

I do not know Arabic, but if what you have translated is correct, you are certainly entitled to bring your family.

Anonymous said...

Dear Sir,

I am really happy that for two of my enquiries you have replied promptly.

Many thanks once again and may Allah guide you, your family to success here and hereafter. amin, summa amin.

Thanks
Muhammed.

Anonymous said...

Dear Sir

I just want ask if the BEAUTICIAN and Female TAILOR can bring there family in saudi arabia?

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

No, they cannot sponsor their families.

Sam said...

Hi Expatguru. Excellent blog. Very helpful.

I'm being hired as an audit manager, but I was told that the visa to be used for me is for a financial analyst. The job offers a family status.

Just to make sure there are no complications and problems with my family's visa, I'd like to check and confirm with you if a financial analyst is indeed eligible to bring his family. How and where do you check if a certain profession is eligible or not to bring his family?

Thank for your help.

Sam

Anonymous said...

Thnx for the reply Expatguru but can you please tell me some job of female so that they can bring there family on saudi arabia, or any link that i can check all the category?

Expatguru said...

Sam,

Thanks for your comments. The Saudi Government has made a list of professions which are NOT eligible to bring their families. This list keeps changing quite frequently and is not made public. More categories are being added frequently due to pressure of Saudization - replacing expatriates with citizens. It is only by experience and by interacting with various people does one know whether a category is banned or not. As a thumb rule, all non-supervisory jobs such as labor, plumber, carpenter, helper and any unskilled profession cannot bring their families.

In any case, the decision of the officer in the immigration is final and binding. It would appear rather strange to someone who is coming to the kingdom for the first time, but that is how the system works. There is just no link or database where someone can go and find out for himself. For an expatriate, the problem becomes more complex because of the lack of knowledge of Arabic. That was why this blog was started and has become so popular. When I write something here, I verify it several times, which is why this blog has become a credible source of information.

lucky said...

Hi,
ExpatGuru, I appreciate you so much for helping all of us out your just faboulos We need more nice people like you my question is (pleas2e kindly answer my question(s)

1)My husband is planning to get back to saudia but the visa is for a electrician but the real work is for sales he is telling us that he will change his proffesion and can sponser us?is it possible to do this (We Are Currently living in dubai)

2)I'm in dubai and planning to work in hospitality business. is it possible for me in ksa to sponser my family and in which job or business catogary can i open up a ladies salon in RIYADH.

3)Is it possible to obtain a saudi work permit in uae as my husband is living in uae, or he has to go to our home country(pakistan) to get the stamp as the sponser had send the visa to pakistan?

It will be very kind of you to answer my questions
regards.
fatima ali

Expatguru said...

Fatima,

Thanks for your comments.

1. It is a very complicated procedure to change the profession once your husband arrives here on an electrician visa. See if he can get a visa which is eligible to bring the family.

2. You cannot sponsor anyone for your category. Infact, you yourself will be in the sponsorship of your husband. If you want to start a business here, you need a Saudi sponsor. The business will be in his name, not yours. You can atmost only be an employee, atleast on paper. Recently, the Saudi Government has opened its doors for large investment groups, but this is still restricted to Foreign Institutional Investors, not for small businesses like what you are talking.

3. Your husband will have to get his visa papers from Pakistan, not from UAE.

AliBaba said...

Dear Guru,

I have immensely benefitted reading your blog. Thanks a lot and keep up the good work. I have a question. I am Bangladeshi and I have been working in the Kingdom since October 2008. I am entitled to bring my family, and my wife and two sons have just got the visa stamps in their passports from the Saudi Embassy (valid for three months). Now my wife wants to join me first in early January, then go back to attend some family business and return with the kids in mid-March. I heard that this may lead to problems with having the kids included in my iqama. Do you have any information on this? What do you suggest. Thanks again.

Expatguru said...

AliBaba,

Glad to know that my blog has been of help to you. It is better to bring your kids along with your wife, do the iqama formalities (usually it takes about 15-20 days) and then send your family back on an exit/reentry visa. Alternatively, you can apply for a visit visa for your wife alone and she can come as a visitor. But in this case, you must make sure that your wife and kids enter the kingdom on the permanent visa before the expiry of the 3-month period.

AliBaba said...

Thank you very much.

Anonymous said...

hi.Am really impressed by the great job done by u,may u get reward by ALLAH.
I have a question is there any way a women can get residence or work visa in KSA other than husband sponsership,as my sister and brother in law lives in saudia he works in in hotel as financial controller they told me if i can come to saudia he can arrange for my job in hotel, but visa has to be on husbands sponsership, but my husband cant sponser me as he is travelling on electrician visa pls guide me through the way i can get there and take that job. can hotels there arrange visas for women ? or any other possible way out
regards
ramsha

Expatguru said...

Ramsha,

The only jobs open for expatriate women are teacher, nurse and doctor. You cannot work legally in any other profession. Also, you have to be sponsored either by your husband or your father. If you want to join your husband, he must first convert his visa to a supervisory job title, provided he has the required qualifications to do so. Unfortunately, there is no other way for you to come to Saudi Arabia.

raja said...

i have a job in jubail city, i had single status but i want to take my family with me on my own cost, also want admit my child in school at there , but as per my information who had a single status cant bring them family even their own cost, in my family i hav e 2 childs. may i bring them ?

Expatguru said...

Raja,

First check the profession mentioned in your iqama. (This has no connection with your actual job title). If your iqama profession is any supervisory category, then you are eligible to bring your family. If it is non-supervisory, viz., labor, painter, carpenter, mason, etc., you have to first convert your visa into a supervisory category and only then you can bring your family. Read my blog completely, including older posts, to have a good idea of all the procedures.

Muhajjabah said...

Muhajjabah-
Assalaamu alaikum to all!

Wow! Masha'Allah Tabarak'Allah for this site! I have learned a lot by reading your answers Brother Expatguru and the very helpful answers and experiences of others. I actually have (3)questions myself. I'm American and married a Canadian who was untruthful about his "true" documents. In the end, I found out he was only holding an "Umrah Visa" from last year. We're now separated due to the legal harm it brought myself and family May Allah forgive him and the position he's put me in Ameen.

I have since obtained a lawyer and am in agreement to a divorce but I am also with child. I hear now that he wants to go out and come back on a work Iqaama.
My 3 Questions: Q1- As a serious over-stayer, can he just "leave" and come back? Q2-Because he's an over-stayer now into the second year what can I do to protect the rights of my unborn child? I know if(when) they catch him he'll most likely be deported fined or not.
Q3-How can I gain support for my child from here if(when) they deport him?

My lawyer is most concerned with getting documentation of him as father than with his "Status" at the moment so this is why I pose these to you. Having to even post this is embarrassing so I humbly say thank you in advance.

Expatguru said...

Muhajjabah,

I really feel sorry for your plight.

The very fact that he is an overstayer makes him a fugitive in the eyes of law. What is he doing for a living? Is he employed somewhere? In that case, even his employer will be in trouble. The moment he is caught, he will first be imprisoned and then deported. Any person who is deported has absolutely no chance of returning to the kingdom.

Even if you prove by DNA analysis or any other method his paternity of your unborn child, of what use is it to you? The fact that he is in the kingdom illegally itself makes matters worse. At most, it will only increase his prison sentence but may probably not give any kind of financial support to your unborn child.

You may probably try suing him in the US or in Canada. Atleast, it will ensure that you get some alimony. There is no need to feel embarrassed dear sister, you have done no wrong, so keep your head high, take life positvely and move on. But make sure that this guy is punished for cheating you by bringing him to book under law.

Anonymous said...

Dear Sir,

right now I am in riyadh, saudi with a technician Visa and working as a programmer. now company say that if they apply here for family status in riyadh for family status with technician iqama, they may reject it. also they said that I may get the family visa, if they apply the same in Khobar. Please explain me. Also i have my master's degree attested. but compnay say that it will be waste of time and money to change the profession in iqama.

Regards,
abdul

Expatguru said...

Abdul,

Who says that technicians cannot bring their families? I personally know colleagues, who are on technician visas and who have brought their families. Go ahead and apply in this visa itself.

Anonymous said...

Dear Sir,

this is abdul here again, as I told you earlier. today I went to riyadh istakdam to apply for my family status. But they said that I am not eligible as my profession is technician in iqama. also they gave a form to try on visit visa. i am a master degree holder in computer application and it is already attested. how can i go ahead then to bring my family on family status. please suggest.

Thanks

Abdul

Expatguru said...

Abdul,

I stand by what I have said. Technicians are eligible to bring their families and my own colleagues whose professions are "Mechanical Technicians" have brought their families. It is your bad luck that your application was rejected on this ground.

There are now 2 options for you. The first is to bring your family on a visit visa. You can extend the visa two times subject to a maximum stay of 9 months. In case you want to bring them here on a permanent visa, then I would suggest that you get your profession changed to an engineer's visa. Since your Master's degree is already attested, you just need to fill in a form in Jawasat, get your sponsor's signature and rubber stamp and submit it. Involve your sponsor (or your Government Relations Officer) in this and let him deal it directly, instead of you going and doing it. It is a simple process and should be done quickly. Good luck.

Anonymous said...

Dear Sir,

Abdul here again. thanks for your information. my company has already sent my papers to try in khobar as my papers rejected in riyadh for being a technician in iqama. They say that I have 50% chance there in khobar. lets hope for the best. also my company said that we will look for changing of profession if it fails in khobar.

the most important thing is from my colleague I came to know that its not easy to go for profession change. it may cost several thousands of riyal. also its not an easy job as well.

please write in detail about profession change.

Thanks

Abdul.

Anonymous said...

Dear Expat Guru,

Congratulations on this blog, you're doing a great job in helping a lot of people with your knowledge on Saudi Arabia.

Here is my question: I work for multinational company, 13 years already, and I've been moving several times to several countries as an expat in the last years, now the company have asked me to move to Riyadh for a period of three years and I have accepted. Although I'm not a degree holder, my company is positive and confident in getting a work visa from the embassy as a marketing specialist based on great deal of experience and achievements in the last 16 years of my professional life.

However my concern is, if indeed I get the igama with a marketing specialist profession listed on it, the possibility of finding any trouble in bringing my wife as soon as possible as I understand I'll have to submit, apart from the attested marriage certificate, an attested degree to apply for permanent family visa, in a nutshell, Can I get the igama on a marketing specialist profession without a degree and yet not bringing my wife on a permanent visa basis??

I really thank you in advance for your answer.

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

With due respect to your profession, it hardly matters to the immigration office your official title or experience. What matters to them is the profession mentioned in your iqama. Without a degree or a diploma to back up your iqama profession, it is impossible to bring your wife.

Anonymous said...

expatguru i want to know the procedure for profession change from carpenter to engineer. My iqama is of 1year can i change in this middle period. thank you

Anonymous said...

Dear Sir,

I have already posted the below question 10 days back. but there is no reply from your end. it would be great if you can respond it asap.

Abdul here again. thanks for your information. my company has already sent my papers to try in khobar as my papers rejected in riyadh for being a technician in iqama. They say that I have 50% chance there in khobar. lets hope for the best. also my company said that we will look for changing of profession if it fails in khobar.

the most important thing is from my colleague I came to know that its not easy to go for profession change. it may cost several thousands of riyal. also its not an easy job as well.

please write in detail about profession change.

Thanks

Abdul.

Expatguru said...

Abdul,

I am collecting the required information and will certainly write a post on this shortly. Due to the huge number of requests I am getting from various people, and considering that I am also employed somewhere else, it takes some time. (Blogging is my hobby, not my profession). Also, before I write something here, I verify it personally so that the information is authentic and useful for all. So, please wait for a few days until I collect all the information and write a post on it. In the meantime, do also keep me informed whether you were successful in Khobar. Good luck!

Anonymous said...

Hi,

as you know most of the people are issued the visa of Technician/electrician or some other designation to work for higher positions. If we are given the family status for this technician/electrician visa and get the yellow slip. But we are holding the degree of engineer or some other degree which is irrelevant to this technicial/electrician visa. So will we going to have any problem in processing of papers for our family in India and for processing here in Saudi after their arrival.

Thanks

Muhammed

Expatguru said...

Muhammed,

Absolutely right. If you arrive on a non-supervisory category, eg., labor, carpenter, painter, mason, etc., you cannot bring your family or even sponsor them on a visit visa. People who are not aware of this fall a trap and unknowingly land in the kingdom thinking they can bring their families. That is why it is so very important to get the visa profession translated into English before you arrive here. This would save you a lot of trouble later on. The Principal of a leading international school here had to resign and go because he was on a painter visa and could not bring his family (he was a Phd, by the way!)

Anonymous said...

hi,

thanks for you prompt reply. The reply which you have given applies for labour. if a person gets a yellow slip for technicial iqama and holds other irrelevent higher degree. will he going to have troubles in for the family in india and after arrival to saudi for processing the papers after getting the yellow slip.

thanks

Muhammed.

Ali Syed said...

Hey. Expat Guru
What A blog Man!

Really I am A fan of yours can u tell me how do you put that flowery thing andthe name on it and how do you put the pages in it just give athe instructions man plsssssssssssssssssssssssssssss.............
u can even mail me the ans asyed445@gmail.com

Expatguru said...

Muhammed,

First of all let me clarify that the moment you get a yellow slip, you can consider it as a go ahead by the Saudi Government. This yellow slip is not a visa, but a "permission to process a visa". The actual visa will be the one which is stamped in your family's passport. The moment a yellow slip has been issued, it means the file has been cleared and there should be no other problem.

Anonymous said...

whats this yellow slip..

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

It is a "permission for visa" given by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and is yellow in color.

Anonymous said...

Hi Dear,
This is a good effort that helps eligible expatriates to bring their family on permanent basis.Great effort that needs to be appriciated.Well done.Excellent service to the all expatriates.
Venkat.

Anonymous said...

THANKS EXPAT GURU , YOU ARE DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB.RECENTLY I AM A FATHER OF BABY BORN IN INDIA OF 1 MONTH AGE, IN REFERENCE TO THIS I WANT TO BRING MY WIFE & BABY TO KINGDOM ON PERMAMENT VISA,MY IQAMA PROFESSION IS ENGINEER. FOR MY BABY SHALL I INCLUDE HER NAME IN MY WIFE'S PASSPORT OR WHETHER SHALL I APPLY FOR SEPARATE PASSPORT OF BABY ; KINDLY GUIDE WHICH IS CONVENIENT OF THESE TWO OPTIONS.WAITING FOR YOUR EARLIEST REPLY.THANKS A LOT.

JAVED.

Expatguru said...

Javed,

Your baby MUST have a separate passport. For infants, usually less than six months of age, visa is issued on arrival. But a separate passport is a must. These days you can get a passport very easily in Tatkal scheme.

Anonymous said...

Dear Expat Guru;
In reference to Permanent Family Visa I have following doubts; kindly clarify;
1.As mentioned in Blog we have to get Salary Certificate & introduction letter in arabic separately ; my question is if my sponsor mention the salary in the introduction letter would it be sufficient or we have to get separate salary certificate.
2.Where we can get the apllication form for permanent visa.
3.After we get the yellow slip shall we get the further processing for Visa stamping including medical through some agent in home country ( Because they charge around 5000 INR per head) or is it better to do by our family member independently ; if so kindly guide the steps including address of Saudi Embassy in MUMBAI.My Permanent Home address is Pune near Mumbai.
4.In reference to Visit Visa do we need our parents to go under medical examination for visa stamping ; also can stamping of visit visa be done independently or some agent is needed ;
5.As mentioned in blog for visit visa we have to send printout for last 3 months bank statement ; pls. clarify what does it actually neans ; because i dont have any account in kingdom.& is it necessary.

Dear Expat Guru I would be very thankful to you for your detaled guidance on each of these questions ; point wise.
Waiting for your kind reply at the earliest.

RIZWAN

Expatguru said...

Rizwan,

1. The salary and introduction letter can be in the same document.

2. The form is available in the passport office. Give the whole set of documents to your sponsor or the Government Relations Officer of your company who will take care of the liaisoning part.

3. I would strongly advise you to get the processing done through a professional agent. Since your family is based in Pune, you may give it to either a Pune-based agent or preferably any of the reputed agents in Mumbai.

4. For visit visa, there is no need for medical tests. Handling of visit visa in India is also better done through an agent, just to avoid trouble to your aged parents.

5. If you are employed somewhere, it is mandatory for you to have a bank account. Where does your salary get credited? Are you paid in cash? If so, this is illegal. Open a bank account immediately. The 3 months' statement is just to verify that you have sufficient funds to support your parents. This will be checked by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs before issuing you the yellow slip. You can try without this, but then it all depends on your luck.

Anonymous said...

Dear Expatguru,

Its really a wonderful blog and many thanx for your very useful information & insights. I have a query on my work visa.

I am in the process of getting a visa for a company and have finished all the formalities. The position is for financial analyst. I do not have a degree certificate but have 5 years of finance experience in the same company here in India. My hiring manager and also HR is aware that my degree is not there and initially HR said there might be a problem in getting my visa stamoed even if we are able to to get the work permit. But now after my hiring manager said its the skills and competence of myself for which I have been given the job and also instructed the HR manager to work on the internal transfer ie from one country to another bit for the same company. My questions are
1. Is there any visa/arrangement like the internal transfer in Saudi ?
2. If the work permit is obtained with my existing docs, such as secondary school certificate, would my visa get rejected when going for stamping ?

Thanks for your ezrliest reply and best of luck and continue to help the expats :)

Regards,

amaan said...

Dear Expatguru,

I will be arriving alone to KSA in the next few weeks to begin my position as English Instructor. My employer says that it is "Saudi Law" that my wife has to wait 3 months before joining me. Is this true? I haven't read anything about a 90 day waiting period. I am worried that once I get there, I will realize that getting my wife to join me will not be as easy as my employer says it will. Can you elaborate.

Expatguru said...

Anonymous,

There is no such thing like an "internal arrangement". You do not have a diploma or a degree, so it is going to be difficult to get a visa as a financial analyst. Note that these jobs are reserved for Saudis. You may probably be hired on a labor visa or some non-supervisory visa, but should realize that you can neither bring your family nor can you change it after arriving here.

Expatguru said...

Amaan,

First check the profession mentioned in your visa, whether it really is an English instructor. Get it translated from Arabic to English. If it is some non-supervisory profession such as labor, painter, etc., you can neither bring your wife nor can you get it changed once you arrive here.
Usually it takes around 3 months for you to get your iqama (residence permit) and only after this can you begin processing your wife's visa.

Anonymous said...

proffession on iqama is "Survaour" its is supervising position and allowed to bring family on it ,but i have graguade degree in commerce, when visited Minsitry of Dakhlia,they put objection that i should have degree in survaour title...i am really upset with this procedure here. i visted my home country speacially to get my degree attested from concern departments and spent so much and what i got is Zero.is there any way we can file a complain for these people.they make unnecesary hurdles...
thanks
RM

Expatguru said...

RM,

You are really very unlucky. Unfortunately, there is nothing much you can do about this. If you hit your head against a wall, it is your head which will get hurt, nothing will happen to the wall, so you have to keep your cool. The next best way is to change your profession.

Ishtiaq said...

Thanks Guru for invaluable infos. I have got my Iqama. Now I want to bring my family. Documents are ready.
Can you please tell me about the link to download the "Permenant family visa form" to apply for family residence visa.

Thanks
...........
Ishtiaq

Expatguru said...

Ishtiaq,

Unfortunately, there is no soft link available. It is a hard copy available in the Passport which you have to fill in Arabic.

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